(January 22, 2013 at 1:12 am)Drich Wrote:(January 20, 2013 at 11:55 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Saying "oh, you were never a Christian because you're an atheist now" is a simple defence mechanism that reassures the believer that they can't possibly ever go through deconversion, because obviously they are the True Christian.Being saved Is a statement made from a point in time when one is out of danger. While one is in this life He/she can not ever truly make this claim unless he/she is in an unbreakable relationship with God.
Drich is just in denial that sincere people actually let go of that ancient book once they were enlightened through the search for truth (which sometimes is to try and back up Christianity).
If one breaks said relationship then it places that person outside the realm of savation. Meaning that person was never 'saved.' That said it does not mean that person was never a christian. Unfortunatly calling yourself christian does not mean anything to Christ. Because He tells us on the day those who were 'saved' will be saved He will turn to the 'christians' who were never saved, (despite all the good things they did) and tell them He never knew them. If Christian's can be judged as never truly giving themselves over to God, then how is it you believe their are Atheist who truly given themselves to God?
Again as witnessed by all the good deeds done by these name sake christians only the desire to be a christian weighs little on the Judgement Christ makes.
Why is the creator of an universe vast beyond our wildest imaginings so desperate for our worship?
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