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too rich?
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RE: too rich?
(January 22, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Tiberius Wrote: It wasn't clear at all. You could have used a number of words to suggest the amount, such as "it would only take 25% of that wealth". By using the word "tax", you are not just suggesting the amount; you are suggesting that it be taken forcibly by the government.

What government? There are national governments, but as far as I know there is no world government, so who am I suggesting forcibly Tax?

Quote:Further, you only seem to support this view more when you say (in the same post):

"it is time to make them pay."

Not, "it is time to convince the to pay more", or "it is time to focus on making the rich more philanthropic", but "make them pay". Your use of the word "tax" doesn't appear to be illustrative at all.

I don't think most people do much for others unless there is encouragement. The encouragement could be positive, but it can also be aggressive.

Quote:Seriously? You think that the bailout means that banks can never ever fail again? You are the one being daft, my friend.

Where did I say that? I did not!

Quote:"why would people who know a system is not going to deliver anything to them support it"

Precisely why I don't agree with a tax hike to sort this problem out. Rich people are humans too; they have the same empathy for the poor as we do. This is why you'll find that most of the top 100 richest people are philanthropic in a number of causes. It is why 91 billionaires have signed the Giving Pledge. Some on that list have pledged to give 99% of their wealth away.

Yes but that is a problem in itself, if you talked to a lot of self made people, they often despise those that have just inherited wealth and presume they have a right to it. These people often set up trusts for there children that will allow the children to be comfortable, but also encourages them not to just sit about on their arses.
The problem with charity is that it taxes people that care about others, but leaves the wealth with those that don't give a dam. As such it is not the few who give anyway that make the problem, it is those that don't.

I just want to point to the OXFAM report, we are not talking about the wealth, just part of the yearly income, one quarter of the yearly income of the 100 richest people would end extreme poverty.
I am not even thinking at this stage how it could be done, it is just inequality at that level, rankles me, and it should be thought about, because I think it is divisive, and will of itself lead to problems.
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too rich? - by jonb - January 21, 2013 at 9:07 pm
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RE: too rich? - by Brian37 - January 26, 2013 at 9:11 pm
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RE: too rich? - by Edwardo Piet - January 22, 2013 at 10:29 am
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RE: too rich? - by Tiberius - January 22, 2013 at 11:41 am
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RE: too rich? - by jonb - January 22, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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RE: too rich? - by downbeatplumb - January 27, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: too rich? - by Something completely different - January 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm
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