RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm by catfish.)
(January 23, 2013 at 10:50 am)Brian37 Wrote:(January 23, 2013 at 2:57 am)catfish Wrote: Ok, then by your reasoning, only those who accept Adam will die, right? You reject the OT stories, does that mean you're immortal then?
How does your "context" deal with this?
Philippians 2:10-12
King James Version (KJV)
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do you have an alternative definition of "every" too? It seems pretty damn obvious that everyone will eventually accept "Jesus" according to the text...
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Some drink one flavor of Kool Aid and others drink other flavors of Kool Aid. So?
Some quote the Koran to prove the existence of Allah. So?
Others quote Jewish texts to point to Yahweh. So?
The Egyptians pointed to the sun and said "that is a thinking god". So?
People once believed in a god named Thor. So?
I see a pattern here... Any discussion that has to do with religion you equate to claims of some form of god... Pay. Close. Attention. To. What. I. Write. And. NOT. What. You. Imagine...
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(January 23, 2013 at 3:49 am)Ryantology Wrote:(January 23, 2013 at 2:57 am)catfish Wrote: Ok, then by your reasoning, only those who accept Adam will die, right? You reject the OT stories, does that mean you're immortal then?
Unless I'm mistaken and that passage makes 'acceptance of Adam' a requirement for dying, I'd have to say that you have a poor grasp of my reasoning.
I think that if you claim that "in Christ" means acceptance of Jesus, then "in Adam" should have the same application, no?
(January 23, 2013 at 3:49 am)Ryantology Wrote:(January 23, 2013 at 2:57 am)catfish Wrote: Do you have an alternative definition of "every" too? It seems pretty damn obvious that everyone will eventually accept "Jesus" according to the text...
No, it covers 'every' quite well by using context. It also appears to imply one of two interesting things.
1. Confessing that Christ is Lord is not the same thing as accepting him as savior. I can accept that he is what he says he is, and still refuse his salvation. It could also mean that God just wants to rub it in on those who snub him (which is completely befitting his character). So, this does not prove that hell is a finite sentence.
2. Confessing that Christ is Lord is the same thing as accepting him as savior, which may imply that a stay in hell is finite. Which makes the entire religion a giant farce; you're going to do it one way or another. You ultimately have no choice. So, the one single incentive to do it now is because God is a sadistic psychopath and in spite of being eternal, is apparently pressed for time (but also apparently not so much that he just can't make you kneel right now, but nobody sane thinks this shit makes any sense).
3. I'm not limited in my acceptance of possibilities, so I'll present you with another you may not have thought of... The Bible (and Christianity) has been hijacked by the Romans for their own personal gain to convert the predominantly Pagan population into a huge flock of bigoted, fear-mongering hypocrites... Hell (Hades and Tartarus) is a Greek myth I'm sure you'll agree. Virgin birth, human sacrifice, X-mas, Easter, Sunday worship, trinity concept among other crap is all of Pagan origin...
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