(October 26, 2009 at 5:36 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: If you have faith, then there can't be any evidence or it wouldn't be faith.I can see how that would conflict with your forum name, EvidenceVsFaith
If there's evidence, then you don't need faith, or you wouldn't have evidence.
If well justified faith has evidence then since it has evidence, it's not faith. Trust in evidence is not faith, it's rational trust. Faith is irrational trust since it lacks evidence.
To do an analogy:
Any trust does not="Faith", which more specifically, lacks evidence and (almost certainly) cannot be rational. Just as any Will does not="Free Will", which, more specifically would require the Will to control itself when it is what does the controlling.
Because it seems as though you are equating trust as always being faith, just as it seems you equate all "choices" as being "free choices". Yes all faith is trust - but not all trust is faith. Yes all "free choices" are free - but not all choices are "Free" (I, for one, don't believe any of them are, but that's another matter).
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As far as I know... Evidence just gives a person all the more reason to believe something is true
Justification=reasons. Evidence attempts to indicate whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. To believe because of evidence is much more justifiable... than believing because somebody you trust told you it was true. And placing one's belief in decent proof is a extremely justifiable position... just as believing because nature looks like it might have been designed = designed is a ridiculous and hardly justifiable position.
Trust in evidence is like trust in myself and my friends... Trust = confidence = belief = faith
Of course, it only equals faith so far as the basic ideas behind all of them go... and people usually use faith to refer to believing something without, or even in spite of evidence. I just think that such a position requires a lot of faith... whereas proof requires but a blink if it is good proof Your analogy isn't true because we always need a reason to believe in something... even if that reason is ridiculous
In other words: we need a reason to have faith... we need some sort of evidence before we can believe in anything... even if that evidence is only so much as "It feels right" or Pascals Wager.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
