(January 30, 2013 at 4:26 pm)genkaus Wrote:(January 30, 2013 at 4:07 pm)Zone Wrote: There wouldn't really be a good reason to believe it to be true if there isn't any evidence for the Lochness Monster. You can associate the Monster with true objective moral values and people can say how they feel the presence of the Monster within speaking to them in their heart, but that wouldn't be evidence. Only ship with a sonar on could provide the real evidence of something if it's real, physical, detectable and actually there. This is the atheists view of religion in general, it isn't specific to any one specific claim. Non-belief in the Lochness Monster doesn't count as a belief in anything. There would still be all the big questions like why does the universe exist and where do you go when you die but the best thing you can really say is that it probably doesn't have anything to do the Lochness Monster, it seems like something people would make up. So there were eyewitness reports of the Monster but you can't just assume those reports are reliable enough to rest your faith in eternal salvation upon as tempting as it would be.
Actually, non-belief in the Loch Ness monster counts as belief in the proposition that there is no Loch Ness monster. Since there is no evidence for that thing, not believing in it is the right thing to do. What is not right is saying that your belief is not a belief.
(January 30, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Question Mark Wrote: Then, and I mean this in the kindest possible manner, you're wrong. A position of neutrality isn't a belief. If I were to say that I'm going to actively deny the existence of the LM, then that would be a belief.
There is no position of neutrality between true and false. It doesn't matter if you actively deny the existence of LM or do so passively. Once you deny it, it becomes a belief.
I don't think you grasped the concept of what I said in my previous post. By disbelieving the existence of the LNM, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, I'm saying that I don't have a belief in regards to whether it exists or not, because I don't have sufficient evidence to form a belief upon.
If I went to Loch Ness, emptied it, and explored every nook and cranny and discovered there wasn't a LNM, then I would form a belief as to it not existing.
Until evidence is posited one way or another, I have no belief towards or against the existence of the monster. Therefore no belief.