(January 28, 2013 at 9:14 pm)Christian Wrote: God needs to be put before everything. Reason should come from God and not the other way around. Once we put God in the centre, everything becomes clear.This is probably what non-believers lack. They start off presumption without God and that's where all reasoning comes crushing down to earth. I hope the above is clear.Exactly the wrong way round. You have to assume an atheistic outlook in order to reason at all, including reasoning to a god. If you do not assume atheism and do not hold reality as an absolute, you have to concede that a consciousness (god) could be having you on, that you may not exist, that you live in a cartoon universe which can be altered whimsically by an entity just wishing it so. Thus without atheistic outlook you cannot rely on your faculties at all. Building on this it an atheistic outlook would include self evident propositions that existence, exists that it does so independently of my mind (or anyone else's) and that the universe is uniform. Neither of these conceptual propositions require demonstrating as there denial requires you to exist in a uniform universe. Reality is an absolute and you cannot escape it by wishing a god into existence.
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"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
