I didn't mean to introduce a red herring Cap'n. Timelessness is a primary attribute... 1st words of the bible establish the "I am". Supposing primacy has to encompass this. I think you are having to restrict the complete picture of God to get to your conclusion, which would make it invalid.
I also don't accept the whole consciousness thing you're proposing. I know you addressed theism and not any particular theism, but this smacks of something I wouldn't ascribe to in my theism. Again the target has been missed.
Yes I agree that the primacy of existance needs no proof. Additionally, the existence of deity can have no proof. The assumption which follows belief necesitates God, and you shouldn't fall into the logical trap of thinking that deity can be proven. Your argument does just that, may I suggest. Forgive me if I'm wrong, I look forward to your counter to that.
So if this consciousness spans all of time, and is also outside of time, as is my theistic heritage, doesn't that exclude it from your sweeping statement? I think it does. Therefore your claim doesn't stand/ address all of theism.
Yes, I would agree. Without timelessness the primacy of consciousness over existence is impossible. I have another objection to that too. Another school of thought sets primacy in one source. That is, God was both instantaneously. As first cause everything eminated from him. The consciousness that was the blueprint for this reality was realised in this source. It's action is where everything eminated. Everything that 'is', contains something from that single point. (sorry to reitterate). You see where I'm going I hope.
Regards
I also don't accept the whole consciousness thing you're proposing. I know you addressed theism and not any particular theism, but this smacks of something I wouldn't ascribe to in my theism. Again the target has been missed.
Yes I agree that the primacy of existance needs no proof. Additionally, the existence of deity can have no proof. The assumption which follows belief necesitates God, and you shouldn't fall into the logical trap of thinking that deity can be proven. Your argument does just that, may I suggest. Forgive me if I'm wrong, I look forward to your counter to that.
So if this consciousness spans all of time, and is also outside of time, as is my theistic heritage, doesn't that exclude it from your sweeping statement? I think it does. Therefore your claim doesn't stand/ address all of theism.
Yes, I would agree. Without timelessness the primacy of consciousness over existence is impossible. I have another objection to that too. Another school of thought sets primacy in one source. That is, God was both instantaneously. As first cause everything eminated from him. The consciousness that was the blueprint for this reality was realised in this source. It's action is where everything eminated. Everything that 'is', contains something from that single point. (sorry to reitterate). You see where I'm going I hope.
Regards
