God as the Centre of Everything

[Captain Scarlet]

You have not introduced any support for your notion that a timeless god gives support to you having an issue with this argument. Whether a god has eternality, timelessness, omni qualities it still leaves Theism committed to a consciousness having control over existence, which as I gave demonstrated is impossible.

Just a quick reply captain as my time is limited right now. No pun intended
You're missing something. Your suggestion is assuming a time frame. One thing proceeding another in order to prove it. Take away time, which you are not disputing as an attribute of God/gods, then your idea has fallen apart hasn't it?
Small pointer... I am representing the standard orthodox xtian view here, and nothing of just my own. Every xtian has their own understanding. To try to alienate mine is therefore nonsensical. I'll let you know when I digress from the song sheet OK?

Your rebuttal requires support, you need to demonstrate 1) where I rely on the concept of time and 2) why it matters. You may not have had time, but neither have been demonstrated, thus the argument is yet to be dismantled. Whether god is inside time and the natural world or outside of time and the natural world, theism is committed to the concept of a disembodied consciousness being only aware of itself and of wishing a reality into existence and changing that reality.

Many/most orthodox xtians would also view their own personal human consciousness as eternal, transcending their own death (you may or may not). Thus when we are talking about consciousness and it's relational stance to an objective and absolute existence, there is no problem with eternality either god or human as we can have the same view of consciousness in mind to prevent equivocating and still conclude the same. This argument talks directly to Theism on Theisms terms, and not on the terms of a purely natural universe (which incidentally it also supports). So again we can agree that consciousness does exist (and if you want to express that as timeless or time bound go ahead). We also seem to agree that it isn't prime over existence itself. Thus theism is still false.

I am more than happy to offer perspectives on why consciousness exists, a timeless god, non-physicalism, non-cognitivism, naturalism so on and so forth. But these are all different topics you have introduced and do not address the argument on it's own merits. As stateed previously you need to demonstrate that the primacy of consciousness is true, or that theism is not committed to it, without resorting to special pleading and/or ad hoc rationalisation. Otherwise this will degrade into withering meaningless rebuttals and weary repetitive responses to your rebuttals.