(October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I don't believe in it because I know it's only a theory atm, and doesn't have evidence as far as I know? It's possible, but I dunno...
And you're wrong about the fine-tuning argument. A fine-tuned universe + a God requires more explanation than just a fine-tuned universe. Imagine how fucking fine-tuned God would have to be to either be there from the beginning or "outside time itself", or have "created himself", and do all that fine-tuning, without any explanation for himself whatsoever?
God just complicates the problem even further.
EvF
(October 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm)Ace Wrote: Spot on EvF!
Jolly good show.
The "fine tuning" shit doesn't point to a creator(god like thing). Adding god into the equation just raises more questions and complicates things further. Like how fine tuned would god have to be in order to create such a fine tuned universe? Also why would god create it? What does he gain out of creating something if he is perfect in every way? What is the purpose of god's existence if he cannot be anything more than what he is? What evidence is there to say that a god exists? See how adding god into it just raises more questions?
The universe is big, dangerous, not made for us and is filled with ungathered knowledge. Adding an unprovable supernatural, flying, invisible all knowing all perfect being will ONLY raise more questions and will not help in anyway when it comes to gaining knowledge.
I don't think you can compare the fine-tuning arguement to God since they are totally different things. God is a simple idea. To make this universe all He needs is omnipotence, omniscience, goodness, timelessness, to be immaterial. All of these are simple idea since they are all the extremes of what they are, they dont need a certain range to be in unlike the laws of physics. God ether has a complete lack of something or as much of it as possible. I also consider God as the foundation of reality which pretty much brings those extra qualities with it. So you can simply say God is the personal foundation of reality. That is a very simple idea.
to continue later ...
Mark Taylor: "Religious conflict will be less a matter of struggles between belief and unbelief than of clashes between believers who make room for doubt and those who do not."
Einstein: “The most unintelligible thing about nature is that it is intelligible”
Einstein: “The most unintelligible thing about nature is that it is intelligible”
