God as the Centre of Everything

[Captain Scarlet]

I feel I'm having to explain everything to you here, where it's you that is supposed to have some declaration for me to consider

Yeah I have that feeling too. If you check I am the only one who has presented an argument to which your responses have been -

GOD is exempt has a special type of conciousness
GOD is exempt because 'he' resides in a supernatural realm
GOD is exempt because 'he' is eternal

All the above are meaningless objections. You have failed to counter with an argument of your own. I have had to correct your thinking on every step, of course I accept I could have presented every step badly. But to impute eternal and immateriality into the argument is crass and probably a common defense you usually adopt which fails on this occasion.

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I do so dislike all this Thomistic nonsense. Really I do. That being said, it's not clear to me that, even if God can be said to possess a consciousness, that his consciousness is the foundation of his primacy over existence, at least not in the sense you seem to be arguing. (I'm not altogether clear, but you seem to be pursuing a pseudo-modal argument here, using God's consciousness as a major premise; I doubt many points in your construction, but then, this is not my forte.)

Thomistic in what sense, arguing from a posteriori facts of reality? As an atheist I do not believe a god exists, and therefore arguing whether a god is consciousness is not or meaningless, at least from my personal perspective. Instead I am arguing against theism on its own terms, that one can know that a god does not exist because theism is committed to god being a disembodied consciousness (footnote here that the god concept includes other qualities which are not salient to the argument). This would place consciousness as prime over existence, which is impossible. Ergo theism is false. If someone wants to point out an objection as to why consciousness is prime over existence or why theism is not committed to god as a consciousness, then we can debate it. We haven't heard any such refutation yet, just hand waiving dismissals around eternality and immaterialism and other irrelevancies.