(February 10, 2013 at 7:57 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(February 10, 2013 at 7:22 am)Ryantology Wrote: I believe in justiceGood stuff. We agree then.
We definitely do not.
(February 10, 2013 at 8:01 am)Phish Wrote: How can we say we have a justice (system) when innocent people are pretty much forced to plead guilty or no contest to a crime they did not commit? You don't think about a situation like that much until it's knocking on your back door. It happens everyday. That's why there should have to be definitive evidence and not just circumstantial. Things aren't always what they appear to be and without knowing someone there is no way possible to be able to make the right call. Therefore we have innocent people out a whole lot of money and a record when they have done nothing wrong. Never done anything criminal in their life. How do we call this justice?
Justice lives in our mind man it aint real!
I make no claims that our justice system is perfect, ideal, or without flaws. There is a ton of room for improvement. There is clear abuse even in the most progressive justice systems. I agree with you almost all the way.
A flawed human invention though it is, justice is a real thing. It is one of the necessary ropes which make civilization and society possible. It is not handed down by any god or gods, it is constructed through human experience. There is no such thing as objective or perfect justice.
Still, even with the flaws it has, I think I'd not rather no justice system at all and be completely at the mercy of everyone around me.
