Hi everyone,
Some great points have been raised so far, I will definitely return later on to discuss more, (have been typing on my lunchbreak), but for now I will field this from cato123:
Hi Cato123,
Condoms in Africa
I did not include this because the catholic position is fully supported by the empirical evidence, as has been openly recognised by global public health experts, such as Dr Edward Green, of various universities (including Harvard).
See here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02825.html
The reason most people are so shockingly ignorant about HIV-Condoms-Africa is because they get their information from celebrities and the media (who often have an anti-Catholic agenda to push) - not from public health experts.
Condoms are not 100% efficient at preventing STD transmission (or unwanted pregnancy), therefore, using condoms will always result in at least some level of STD transmission.
The Catholic Church instead advocates that sex should only be enjoyed inside committed, exclusive relationships. Ie a policy of monogamy and abistinence. This is 100% effective at preventing STD transmission.
Essentially, on one side of the argument you have:
- The Catholic Church
- The empirical evidence
- University level public health experts
And on the other:
- Hateful people who despise the Catholic Church
- Liars who despise the Catholic Church
- Gullible people who have been brainwashed by the secular media
I know which side of the argument has most credibility.
Many people of course, (seemingly including you), will have never heard of experts like Dr Edward Green, and will not realise the evidence agrees with the Catholic view. (thats not a coincidence, by the way, its because the Church policies are based on reality).
And why have they not heard of Him / the evidence? Purely because the media - their only source of information, which they accept unthinkingly - has chosen not to tell them, in favour of spoonfeeding them agenda-ridden nonsense.
Paedophile priests
(It would be more correct to say "ephebrophile priests", as most victims were sexually mature teenage boys, not "children").
Despite these being very serious crimes, I did not include this as failure to deal properly with abuse is not motivated by religion. It is motivated by any or all of: cowardice, cynicism, fear or arrogance.
Failure to deal properly with abuse has not been a problem limited to the Catholic Church. Currently in the UK, there are ongoing abuse scandals - showing that abuse was allowed to go on unchecked - among the following:
- The BBC - various celebrity presents abused kids on BBC premesis for deaces, (nearly half a century), while the British public adored them and they had celebrity and honours (OBEs etc) heaped upon them by the British establshment. it was an open secret that these men were predators, for years, but no-one ever did anything about it until now.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/cr...655523.ece
- HMP institutions & hospitals - prison and hospital authorities also failed to act, meaning BBC celebrities visiting these places were able to abuse people unchecked on these premesis too
- Police + Social workers in Rochdale (north of england) knowingly allowed gangs of asian men to groom and rape underage white girls repeatedly, for 10 years (2002 - 2012), because they were frightened to be called "racists" if they were seen to enforce the law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c...o-act.html
So, you see, failure to deal properly with abuse is - sadly - an exceptionally common probloem, for a variety of reasons.
It is no more an inherent problem of religion, than it is with public tv/radio broadcasters or with police forces.
Hope this helps
Cheers
GS
Some great points have been raised so far, I will definitely return later on to discuss more, (have been typing on my lunchbreak), but for now I will field this from cato123:
(February 11, 2013 at 2:09 am)cato123 Wrote: You invoked Islamic terror and the Westboro Baptists as examples of 'bad' religion. I'm curious. Why did you not mention the prohibition of contraceptives in Africa nor the relocation of pedophilic preists in your examples of 'bad' religion.
Hi Cato123,
Condoms in Africa
I did not include this because the catholic position is fully supported by the empirical evidence, as has been openly recognised by global public health experts, such as Dr Edward Green, of various universities (including Harvard).
See here:
Dr Edward C Green Wrote:Condoms, HIV-AIDS and Africa - The Pope Was Right
By Edward C. Green
Sunday, March 29, 2009
When Pope Benedict XVI commented this month that condom distribution isn't helping, and may be worsening, the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa, he set off a firestorm of protest. Most non-Catholic commentary has been highly critical of the pope. A cartoon in the Philadelphia Inquirer, reprinted in The Post, showed the pope somewhat ghoulishly praising a throng of sick and dying Africans: "Blessed are the sick, for they have not used condoms."
Yet, in truth, current empirical evidence supports him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02825.html
The reason most people are so shockingly ignorant about HIV-Condoms-Africa is because they get their information from celebrities and the media (who often have an anti-Catholic agenda to push) - not from public health experts.
Condoms are not 100% efficient at preventing STD transmission (or unwanted pregnancy), therefore, using condoms will always result in at least some level of STD transmission.
The Catholic Church instead advocates that sex should only be enjoyed inside committed, exclusive relationships. Ie a policy of monogamy and abistinence. This is 100% effective at preventing STD transmission.
Essentially, on one side of the argument you have:
- The Catholic Church
- The empirical evidence
- University level public health experts
And on the other:
- Hateful people who despise the Catholic Church
- Liars who despise the Catholic Church
- Gullible people who have been brainwashed by the secular media
I know which side of the argument has most credibility.
Many people of course, (seemingly including you), will have never heard of experts like Dr Edward Green, and will not realise the evidence agrees with the Catholic view. (thats not a coincidence, by the way, its because the Church policies are based on reality).
And why have they not heard of Him / the evidence? Purely because the media - their only source of information, which they accept unthinkingly - has chosen not to tell them, in favour of spoonfeeding them agenda-ridden nonsense.
Paedophile priests
(It would be more correct to say "ephebrophile priests", as most victims were sexually mature teenage boys, not "children").
Despite these being very serious crimes, I did not include this as failure to deal properly with abuse is not motivated by religion. It is motivated by any or all of: cowardice, cynicism, fear or arrogance.
Failure to deal properly with abuse has not been a problem limited to the Catholic Church. Currently in the UK, there are ongoing abuse scandals - showing that abuse was allowed to go on unchecked - among the following:
- The BBC - various celebrity presents abused kids on BBC premesis for deaces, (nearly half a century), while the British public adored them and they had celebrity and honours (OBEs etc) heaped upon them by the British establshment. it was an open secret that these men were predators, for years, but no-one ever did anything about it until now.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/cr...655523.ece
- HMP institutions & hospitals - prison and hospital authorities also failed to act, meaning BBC celebrities visiting these places were able to abuse people unchecked on these premesis too
- Police + Social workers in Rochdale (north of england) knowingly allowed gangs of asian men to groom and rape underage white girls repeatedly, for 10 years (2002 - 2012), because they were frightened to be called "racists" if they were seen to enforce the law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c...o-act.html
So, you see, failure to deal properly with abuse is - sadly - an exceptionally common probloem, for a variety of reasons.
It is no more an inherent problem of religion, than it is with public tv/radio broadcasters or with police forces.
Hope this helps
Cheers
GS
