(November 12, 2008 at 8:22 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Er....two points...
(November 7, 2008 at 1:50 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: The great philosopher Socrates, they say, said before his death "I know that I do know nothing"Whether socrates means knowledge as in absolute knowlege or in merely understanding., I do not know. But I think it is correct that we can't (at least for now, as far as we understand) 100% know anything. I mean we "know gravity" and its so close to certain that its 100% right we might as well say it is. But we don't really 100% know. We think we 100% know and we understand it as such. Just as God could suddenly strike me with lightning and cause earthquakes and have Satan rise from hell...just as that. Gravity could suddenly stop. Its scientifically impossible, which means scientifically as close to impossible as you can get. Its as close to certain as almost certain can be scientifically. Basically since the beginning of the existence of gravity this has been the case. For billions and billions of years. But its possible (just almost certainly as minutely possible as possible, totally smallest possibility ever, almost certainly), for gravity to stop. because we don't know the future! So as far as we know we can't 100% absolutely know anything, for ourselves. We can just be almost entirely certain, that we have God the absolute truth correct.
Quote:Moreover atheism even retreats before them saying that it is only "almost " certain that God does not exist.Because, for as I have explained above, atm as far as we know, thats the way it is, scientifically. How could we 100% disprove God? We can't (atm at least, and I'm not sure if we ever will be able to, who knows?). Its Russell's Teapot! It would actually be unscientific to claim that we can or have 100% absolutely disproved God when as far as we know so far, according to evidence and probability, we can't and haven't. So its not a retreat if its the scientific truth!
I have repeated many times my point of view but only a few have bothered themselves to try to understand what I'm saying.
I agreed with you that science is not able to totally disprove God .
So far so good.
Now another way is to put the question of who the hell created the very notion of God ?.
The aswer is clear : God is a creation of man for provable purposes
which I am not going to detail because the kind of them are so many as historical ,political, spiritual ,psychological economical,etc,,
treated by experts in a lot of books.
Moreover my opinion is that God is not only a historical creation but he is recreated momentarily in the mind of everyone who believes in him the very moment he thinks about him.
I came to this last conclusion by making a little research discussing it with religious people.
It's a simple research everyone of us I believe has aquintances who see themselves as believers (even more or less) and you can easily repeat that experience.
The concliusion I draw from what I said above is tht God does not exist anywhere in space but in the minds of people who believe in him.
Another opinion of mine is that even after disproving of God in the way I exposed above there remains the problem of the belief in Destiny which even secular people stick to it.
For how to tackle that problem let's leave for another post.