Christ's birthday

[chatpilot]

fr0d0 wrote: "Morality is discerned through our innate understanding of God. You talk like it's something we didn't dream up Chatty. Make your mind up!"

My mind was made up a long time ago. God has nothing to do with morality nor is morality innate through your so called understanding of god. Society and cultures dictate what is moral and what is not.

solarwave wrote: " chatpilot: Why do you have a problem with God killing people in the OT then?"

rjh4 said it for me in his reply to Craveman when he referred to our "holding God to the same standards as God holds for us is irrational. " But I don't think it irrational and in fact I hold this god to the same standards of the rest of us for the simple reason that he is supposed to be our heavenly father and lead us by example. Not only does the biblical gods murdering of millions disturbs me, it's the unjust murder of those millions. Sin is a biblical concept that has no place in the real world outside of religion. So god killing people for disobedience is irrational especially when you think of him as a father. No father would kill their children for mouthing off or hitting them. That is immoral and unjust.

Also, the biblical god killed millions just to prove to his "chosen people" that he was the one, the only, almighty god. But those other cultures and people whose land was usurped by force by the Hebrew's never had a chance to see what god can do and convert. Instead god preferred to have his people exterminate them and enslave their women. If you ask me if the bible is true then the Jews have only reaped what they have sown courtesy of Adolph Hitler. I am not justifying the Holocaust but if the biblical concept of reaping and sowing applies then the Jews were just getting back what they have given.