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God is above conventional reason
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RE: God is above conventional reason
(February 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm)Stimbo Wrote: A leap of faith, otherwise known as a flash of inspiration, is fine and can in fact be a perfectly valid aid to investigation.The problems come when, having made that inspirational leap, we decide that the solution has been found and thus the investigation shuts down.

However, this isn't what Esquilax was referring to. The god of the gaps argument ism basically, "we don't yet have an explanation for phenomenon X; therefore it must have been God". That is the point at which investigation shuts down.


Oah of course not ; the investigation must continue, in either ways it's not harmful for each part.


Quote:I'm not making a judgement here, and I hope I don't come across as condescending, but perhaps you ought to search for a way to rid yourself of this burden if it troubles you so much? Doesn't have to be anything too drastic - you're already making a start with your opinions of hell, for instance.

I'm using the leap of faith right now on them both : ) I'm trying to find an explanation suitable for both of them without contradicting the any other part in the Quran.. The operation becomes hard & you engage in self doubt, religion doubt. But indeed stopping before finding all the possible paths is a lazy thing to do.

If there is no possible explanation, I will admit it, in both ways -as I said- the burden would vanish.


Quote:This too is admirable. There are many evolutionary biologists who manage to be religious as well. Just beware the trap of embracing religion at the expense of reality, where the two may conflict.

Which many religious folks fell at, sadly many muslims scholars did the same & in many cases they provided false explanation.

(February 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
Quote:Religion is not what I want. It's a heavy burden on my back. I don't like the concept of hell, I don't like the concept of slavery to any deity.

I don't like those things, either.

What you should ask yourself is, why are you jumping through so many hoops for it? Why defend something when it is both something you wish was not true and something which is almost certainly not true, regardless of your wishes? You justify your beliefs in precisely the same ways as adherents to many other religions, and there is nothing concrete which makes a single one of them any more likely to be true compared to any other.

If there is a god, or gods, in this universe, chances are extremely high that none of them that we worship are the correct ones. Therefore, the fates of everyone here are going to be the same, no matter what. Might as well let all that shit go and enjoy a life of freedom.

The problem is the concept of 1)god himself, 2)who are we, 3)why we're here & 4)what's next ?

on those four points, 2 of them make total sense to me & compose a broken chain- but the fourth point is the problem along with the second.

Because I have to understood concepts in my head, that religion isn't totally unbelievable. There is a chance for that believe to be perfect just if the missing links were connected.

That's my main reason. Which is what I do all the time, I always keep a believe if it has many reasonable points.
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God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by frankiej - February 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by rexbeccarox - February 13, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WitchSabrina - February 13, 2013 at 8:56 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Jackalope - February 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Psykhronic - February 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 14, 2013 at 5:23 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Minimalist - February 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Darkstar - February 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 13, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Simon Moon - February 13, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by paulpablo - February 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 13, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Simon Moon - February 13, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 13, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Drich - February 13, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Esquilax - February 14, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Creed of Heresy - February 14, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WinterHold - February 14, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Esquilax - February 14, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WinterHold - February 14, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Darkstar - February 14, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by WinterHold - February 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 14, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 14, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 14, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 14, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by popeyespappy - February 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 14, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 16, 2013 at 2:14 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Kayenneh - February 16, 2013 at 3:39 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 17, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 17, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 17, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 17, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by rexbeccarox - February 17, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Re: RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by paulpablo - February 17, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 17, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 17, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Re: RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 17, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Angrboda - February 18, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 18, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Jackalope - February 18, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zen Badger - February 18, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 18, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 18, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zen Badger - February 18, 2013 at 7:35 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Finn - February 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 18, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 24, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Ryantology - February 18, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 18, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 18, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 18, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 18, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Baalzebutt - February 18, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Cyberman - February 18, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by catfish - February 18, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Zone - February 18, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Question Mark - February 24, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by CleanShavenJesus - February 18, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Nobody - February 24, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Atothetheist - February 24, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by ThomM - February 26, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Whateverist - February 26, 2013 at 1:35 am
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Gabriel Syme - March 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by downbeatplumb - March 20, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: God is above conventional reason - by Tonus - March 20, 2013 at 3:10 pm

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