Question about female worth in islam.

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I think Islam has it's own culture/ethnicity hence why you have Muslims who see themselves as Muslims first and whatever else, say nationality, second. Some Muslims are completely Westernised of course and so part of Western culture which is secular Christian or secular post Christian. So I mean Islamic culture.

It is true. But not like it's a nationality, it's a unity in thought ; not customs & traditions. I dare you to spot me as a Muslim in public :p

It says men are "a degree above women" in the Quran. And the word of two women is equal to one man.

In marriage. Due to the categorizations of obligations in marriage, men are supposed to pay for everything -literally-. In the same time they don't have the right to take any money from their mates without previously asking for it.

This is a very tough obligation, zone, Islam actually gives women the right not to pay a penny for the family.

That's why men -in marriage- are one degree above women (like god stated next) with what they payed -men-.

So a husband who doesn't pay is not above women. Matter in fact, a single mother is better than all men.

The situation was exactly the same in Western/European/Christian culture as it was in Arab culture or most other places in the world. Equal rights for women is a compartively recent phenonmenon. Westernised Muslims like yourself agree with it obviously even if your holy book doesn't really if you read it.

mm, good point.
But I don't think it's that bad in Islam. During the first Islamic century -the generation of Mohammed-, women were fighting, telling their opinions in public and some of them kicked were screaming in their husbands. Women during that time used the same mosques as men.

I didn't notice any decline in women rights until the end of the caliphates. It is by then, when crazy religious statements were thrown against women -they even forbid women from praying in the same mosques as men without "a wall" between them..

This verse proves equality between men & women :
"He is the one who created you from one soul, then made its pair from it".

Same goes for the Christian world as well, you have Joan of Arc there for instance, Queen Elitzabeth. But in general they weren't considered equal, they were like your property or children you have to look after. Rule of thumb is an English expression which originally meant that you should avoid beating your wife with an object wider than your own thumb.

That's weird, I remember using that in school in something related to physics or something ?? I can't remember exactly but a thumb was included with "a rule" xD