RE: Has anyone ever found a way to reconsile being Gay/Bi/Lesbien and being a Christian?
February 16, 2013 at 1:30 am
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2013 at 1:36 am by Ryantology.)
(February 15, 2013 at 11:23 pm)Drich Wrote: It's funny how you can make the bible say what you want when you ignore the surrounding coontext. Lets look at the whole passage:
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
So, if you were serious about understanding this whole passage in it's proper context i should think your next question would be: what is the righteousness of the Pharasees?
Who determines what the 'proper' context is? Sounds to me like your 'proper context' is a clumsy, obfuscatory attempt to shirk the responsibilities God demands of you. You have a personal interest in interpreting this passage the way you do, whereas I have no dog in the fight.
Quote:(Because again Christ says we must exceed the righteousness of the pharasees, not meet their righteousness head on. The only way this is possiable is through the blood attonement He offers when He is sacerficed for our sins.
I see nothing in there which states that you no longer have to follow the law to the letter.
Quote:For Again it is by the law that we have the right of attonement through sacerfice. and it is ONLY through this attonement that our righteousness can ever hope to exceed the righteousness that comes with doing your best to live a perfect live.
Uh huh, and it's clear that you can get into heaven doing just that. It's just as clear that you are expected to do more than that, that those who fail to live up to the old laws are called least in the kingdom of heaven.
You may no longer have to do these things to ensure that your soul is saved, but you are expected to hold to them as much as possible.
Quote:Oh, really? Is that what you think Christ says?
No, I know it's what he says.
Quote:What about everything Christ says and does to condemn the efforts of those who proclaim to live by the law? also what do you say of the contrast between how the 'religious elite" are treated, against the dregs (those who openly and knowing are sinful, yet repentant) who the elite have rightfuly (according to the same law) cast aside?
As you said, living by the law alone is not enough. But, it is still expected that you do so. Those who fail to are called least in the kingdom of heaven.
Quote:How do you reconsile your interperation of Mat 5 against what Jesus actually did?
Show me where Jesus said, explicitly, that no one is required to follow old testament law, that doing so is irrelevant and unnecessary now that he is here.
Quote:Thankfully we sought the attonement offered, so that we may freely and openly love God with all of our being, rather than be subject to a standard no one can ever hope to keep.
No doubt that makes you sleep better at night. But, if God judges that your refusal to even try to obey his laws is evidence that your devotion to him is inadequate, that you're only paying lip service in other words, wouldn't it suck to have to spend eternity in hell with the rest of us?
Because, sounds a lot to me like God never stopped taking all that crazy shit deadly seriously.
