RE: Has anyone ever found a way to reconsile being Gay/Bi/Lesbien and being a Christian?
February 16, 2013 at 3:48 am
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2013 at 4:00 am by Drich.)
(February 16, 2013 at 1:30 am)Ryantology Wrote: Who determines what the 'proper' context is?Proper context is a term describing a complete context. Meaning to take all the information in a given passage that pertains to a subject matter and interperete the whole of the message being communicated.
So who decides 'proper context?' The scribe/writter of orginal the passage. Intelectual intergerity demands a full accounting of everything written to be considered as a whole.
Quote:Sounds to me like your 'proper context' is a clumsy, obfuscatory attempt to shirk the responsibilities God demands of you. You have a personal interest in interpreting this passage the way you do, whereas I have no dog in the fight...And it sounds to me that you attempt to shirk the complete contextual meaning of the passage being discussed, is a lazy man's way of dismissing a arguement without having to address the actual content of the arguement.
Quote:I see nothing in there which states that you no longer have to follow the law to the letter.As you said you don't have a dog in this race, meaning you don't have to see anything. Christianity as a whole on the other hand uses this as a key verse to seperate itself from OT Judaism.
Quote:For Again it is by the law that we have the right of attonement through sacerfice. and it is ONLY through this attonement that our righteousness can ever hope to exceed the righteousness that comes with doing your best to live a perfect live.
Quote:Uh huh, and it's clear that you can get into heaven doing just that.Show me.
Quote:It's just as clear that you are expected to do more than that, that those who fail to live up to the old laws are called least in the kingdom of heaven.(IN THe Kingdom of Heaven) let that resonate for a second... Did you get it? In the Kingdom...
Now pair that with Mat 19:30, 20:16, Mark 10:31, and luke 13:30 they all say:
But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.
Quote:You may no longer have to do these things to ensure that your soul is saved, but you are expected to hold to them as much as possible.Actually no. Free from the law means we are Free to love and Worship god with all of our Hearts, Mind, Spirit and Strength. That may intersect with the Moral law of moses but may not have anything to do with the Cermonial (Holidays, food, cleansing rituals, or worship rituals etc..) or the social law of the Jews.(How to lend money, views on slavery, burning witches, killing gays, marrying your dead brothers wife etc..) For Christ said:
Mat22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
So in effect everything has been boiled down to two Great Commandments, and the 'Law is full filled."
Quote:No, I know it's what he says.show me Book Chapter and verse please.
Quote:As you said, living by the law alone is not enough. But, it is still expected that you do so. Those who fail to are called least in the kingdom of heaven.This is the third time you reference this passage. I think you think it means something other than what it means. Please explain.
Quote:Show me where Jesus said, explicitly, that no one is required to follow old testament law, that doing so is irrelevant and unnecessary now that he is here.Because that is not the message. Mat 22:36-40, Mat 5 (the whole Chapter) If you take what Christ said and put in into the complete NT like with Romans 3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV Out lines the message. In that Trying to obtain righteousness by simply doing what the laws says is impossiable. what Christ says about 'exceeding the righteousness of the pharisees was an impossiable task, for they were the most righteous a man could get back then and christ directly said that was not enought. Which meant that another form of righteousness was needed. On found apart from the law.
Quote:No doubt that makes you sleep better at night. But, if God judges that your refusal to even try to obey his laws is evidence that your devotion to him is inadequate, that you're only paying lip service in other words, wouldn't it suck to have to spend eternity in hell with the rest of us?No, I actually would like to meet some of you. What you are describing is the Muslim version of God, whether you know it or not. (because even with the OT version of Worship the judeo christian God has always incorperated attonement for sin.) Allah, does not.
If God turns out to be the muslim version of god, I'll gladly spit in his eye and take my place with the rest of you. He can keep his 40 virgins. (they probably all be dudes who sucide bombed something anyway.)
Quote:Because, sounds a lot to me like God never stopped taking all that crazy shit deadly seriously.Then you must have some pretty good hearing. Because God hasn't said anything about "that crazy shit deadly seriously" in 2400+ years. (Durning the time of the last prophets before Christ.)
(February 16, 2013 at 2:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: He won't, but he sure as hell will just restate his original position as though that answers the question. This is my prophesy.I guess we can add 'false prophet' to the list of names we can legitmatly call you.
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