RE: Has anyone ever found a way to reconsile being Gay/Bi/Lesbien and being a Christian?
February 16, 2013 at 4:27 am
(February 16, 2013 at 3:48 am)Drich Wrote: So who decides 'proper context?' The scribe/writter of orginal the passage. Intelectual intergerity demands a full accounting of everything written to be considered as a whole.
Unless you are the scribe or writer who invented this text, I'd say that you stand on ground no more solid than I do, at best.
You're trying to say that the passage does not mean what it says in explicit and clear terms. Context can only render that passage incorrect, it cannot alter its meaning entirely as you suggest it does. And, if that passage is incorrect, it calls the credibility of every word in the entire Bible into question, so do you really want to go there?
Quote:..And it sounds to me that you attempt to shirk the complete contextual meaning of the passage being discussed, is a lazy man's way of dismissing a arguement without having to address the actual content of the arguement.
You have not done anything close to a satisfactory job of demonstrating why, in context, that passage does not mean exactly what it says.
Quote:As you said you don't have a dog in this race, meaning you don't have to see anything. Christianity as a whole on the other hand uses this as a key verse to seperate itself from OT Judaism.
That probably means Christianity is using it incorrectly.
Quote:(IN THe Kingdom of Heaven) let that resonate for a second... Did you get it? In the Kingdom...
Of course I got it.
Quote:Now pair that with Mat 19:30, 20:16, Mark 10:31, and luke 13:30 they all say:
But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.
That does not, in the slightest, contradict my interpretation.
Quote:Actually no. Free from the law means we are Free to love and Worship god with all of our Hearts, Mind, Spirit and Strength. That may intersect with the Moral law of moses but may not have anything to do with the Cermonial (Holidays, food, cleansing rituals, or worship rituals etc..) or the social law of the Jews.(How to lend money, views on slavery, burning witches, killing gays, marrying your dead brothers wife etc..) For Christ said:
Mat22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
So in effect everything has been boiled down to two Great Commandments, and the 'Law is full filled."
Loving the lord with all your heart means you can disregard his laws? It sounds, to me, like holding his laws in the highest regard is an integral, indeed vital, part of 'loving the lord'. You cannot love him with all your heart if you are not obeying his laws to your utmost ability.
Quote:show me Book Chapter and verse please.
Have you already forgotten the book, chapter and verses which we have been talking about?
Quote:This is the third time you reference this passage. I think you think it means something other than what it means. Please explain.
I think it means exactly what it says it means. You think it means precisely the opposite of what says it means.
Quote:Because that is not the message. Mat 22:36-40, Mat 5 (the whole Chapter) If you take what Christ said and put in into the complete NT like with Romans 3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV Out lines the message. In that Trying to obtain righteousness by simply doing what the laws says is impossiable. what Christ says about 'exceeding the righteousness of the pharisees was an impossiable task, for they were the most righteous a man could get back then and christ directly said that was not enought. Which meant that another form of righteousness was needed. On found apart from the law.
I am not suggesting that Jesus is saying that following the laws, itself, is the path to righteousness. I am saying that he is making it clear that following the laws is an integral part of following that 'greatest commandment'. If you are not following those rules to the utmost, your 'love' is incomplete (if not outright fraudulent). The Pharisees followed the letter of the law for their own ends, which makes their righteousness substandard. It is clear that Jesus expects you to follow the laws for God's reasons rather than their own, but following the laws is still necessary.
Quote: No, I actually would like to meet some of you. What you are describing is the Muslim version of God, whether you know it or not. (because even with the OT version of Worship the judeo christian God has always incorperated attonement for sin.) Allah, does not.
If God turns out to be the muslim version of god, I'll gladly spit in his eye and take my place with the rest of you. He can keep his 40 virgins. (they probably all be dudes who sucide bombed something anyway.)
What good is atonement for sin if you make no effort to improve your sinning behavior? You are not making an effort to follow God's laws, and therefore, your 'atonement' is hollow and meaningless.