Question about female worth in islam.

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Islam copied the customs and traditions of the Jews, and added a few extra. You may think they're commandents of God/Allah but as far as I'm concerned it's human made cultural tradition, because that's what they are.

I understood the traditions here as "types of worship & identity".
About the types of worship, there is a similarity because both religions are Abrahamic ; both came from god once. I agree with you on the similarity ; which makes you wonder if Mohammed copied them.

But of course it wouldn't make sense if you don't believe in Abraham : )

The identity is what I think the most important, and different. If you like to, I can tell you the differences one by one. They're huge & numerous. But there is a similarity in the types of worship, that's why many scholars -like Ahmed Dedat- said it loud & clear : Jews are almost muslims with a different label.

I would spot you by your beard and the gleam in your eye, your general cut. If you were a woman with a covered head or face it would be slightly easier.

Gleam ?
I don't have a beard.

And all Muslim women have to married off, at an early age. Then they generally rear the children at home, under the authority of the man. You know it to be true.

Not necessarily, it depends on the culture of the country. There is no authority in the first place. You might ask about the verse which proves that :

"And those who answer the call of their god, raised the prayers and they consult each other on all their affairs, and they pay -money- from what we have gave them"
Sura 42, verse 38

Given the fact that this is an obligation on any muslim to consult before taking a decision ; it is also required in marriage.
Who takes the final decision ? None actually ; it's more like voting.

But they're not really meant to bring money into the household that's the point. They're in the home. If they go out they have to cover themselves up to avoid being "uncovered meat".

Also not right. A muslim woman has the same obligations as men, they must pray, fast & worship god.

Many worships require getting out of the house. Paying for the poor -which is a pillar in Islam- is just an example ; how would the girl find the poor if she's always at home ? How would she see god's creation inside her home ? how would she go to the mosque in the first place ?

You know that we have 5 prayers, right ? also women are required to do them ; actually it's forbidden to stop them from going to mosques. A Muslim who does that would probably end up in hell.

You're confused between what "the hadith" says about women, and what the Quran says.

In marriage, legal rights and everything else.

After life. That degree is in the after life, not now. This verse states what is the case in this life :

"... And they-women-receive the same deeds that they give, and men are above them with one degree"
Sura 1, verse 228

How would they receive the same deeds that they give, but men are above them ? if men were above them then the deeds would be different ; to man's side.

In the after life, men get a better penalty for what they payed for their wives. Obviously ; Women are also above men with one-or many- degrees when it comes to motherhood : )

You know, saying "humph" to your mom in Islam is forbidden, just to see the real value of women to us.

It's all equal. But sticking to one verse without reading the whole thing would sure give you weird ideas.

It wouldn't typically be a single Muslim woman, they will get married off to a man to do his cooking and cleaning. That's just how it goes they're not normally fully independent or equal to men. Again the Western world was more or the same up until about 100 years ago.

My mother disagrees..

While it may have been progressive for the 7th century it's a bit of stretch to say that Islam founded womens lib. That's a product of Western mainly secular culture with some Christian roots. Women did have to fight for and win these rights they weren't given anything. They won the vote after the role they played working in ammunition factories during WW1 while the men were slowly walking into machine gun fire. Muslim women can vote as well these days but it didn't originate from the Islam or the Quran.

I can't give you a final word on this ; I need to search more about this matter in Islamic history.

Women were always allowed in the same church you know, the Catholic Church even had a divine goddess like figure in the Virgin Mary, there are numerous female Saints as well of course.

On reality the situation was different. Those saints were given as an example of "total obedience to men".

A rehash of the Jewish creation myth which explains the origins of men and women. But it's not saying they're equal or at least that they ought to fill the same general role in society. You're going to have to be a stretch for that.

umm, another verses support this idea :
"I -God- don't waste the work of any worker, male or female..."

Ah but did you know the Quran instructs men to beat disobeidient wives? Though it is after you admonish them and sleep in a separate bed. The beating is a last resort if they continue to disobey.

Yeah that verse is there. Until this day scholars are jumping around it without the attempt to give a concrete answer about what it means.

If I knew its meaning I would come back to you. But there is another verse which also states that beating men is okay if they committed sex with another woman while married. I will get that verse soon.