RE: Has anyone ever found a way to reconsile being Gay/Bi/Lesbien and being a Christian?
February 17, 2013 at 5:27 pm
(February 17, 2013 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: Again until you take the time to explain your self, you have ended this conversation.
Allow me to quote myself like a hundred times in this thread where I explained precisely what I believe that passage indicates, because apparently going back and reading posts of mine which you quoted and responded to is too difficult for you.
Quote:As as read it, Jesus made it perfectly clear, in no uncertain terms, that all were expected to hold to the old laws, but you choose to interpret this differently, so that you can comfort yourself into thinking that you'll go to heaven even though you're not killing people as God instructed.
Quote:Perhaps you can fail to follow those laws and still get to heaven, but it is painfully clear that those who follow those old laws closest to the letter get the choicest reservations in Heaven. Therefore, you are expected to do your very best to follow those psychotic old laws, and the judgement you receive will take into account how weill you adhered to them. So, those Christians who are not stoning gays to death or killing disobedient children or adulterers will have almost as much to answer for as we apostates and heathens.
Quote:Uh huh, and it's clear that you can get into heaven doing just that. It's just as clear that you are expected to do more than that, that those who fail to live up to the old laws are called least in the kingdom of heaven.
You may no longer have to do these things to ensure that your soul is saved, but you are expected to hold to them as much as possible.
Quote:As you said, living by the law alone is not enough. But, it is still expected that you do so. Those who fail to are called least in the kingdom of heaven.
Quote:But, if God judges that your refusal to even try to obey his laws is evidence that your devotion to him is inadequate, that you're only paying lip service in other words, wouldn't it suck to have to spend eternity in hell with the rest of us?
Quote:Loving the lord with all your heart means you can disregard his laws? It sounds, to me, like holding his laws in the highest regard is an integral, indeed vital, part of 'loving the lord'. You cannot love him with all your heart if you are not obeying his laws to your utmost ability.
Quote:I am not suggesting that Jesus is saying that following the laws, itself, is the path to righteousness. I am saying that he is making it clear that following the laws is an integral part of following that 'greatest commandment'. If you are not following those rules to the utmost, your 'love' is incomplete (if not outright fraudulent). The Pharisees followed the letter of the law for their own ends, which makes their righteousness substandard. It is clear that Jesus expects you to follow the laws for God's reasons rather than their own, but following the laws is still necessary.
As for whether this is good or bad? It sounds really bad for you, because if I'm right, you and almost every other Christian alive stands just the tiniest step above me in the eyes of God. It means nothing to me, because if I'm wrong about God, I would imagine that my level of adherence to OT law would strike him as rather beside the point, wouldn't you agree?