RE: Has anyone ever found a way to reconsile being Gay/Bi/Lesbien and being a Christian?
February 18, 2013 at 1:55 am
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2013 at 2:02 am by Drich.)
(February 18, 2013 at 1:23 am)Question Mark Wrote: I think what Ryan is trying to say with the "what-if" scenario, is to demonstrate that arbitrary laws cannot possibly be, as you term it, righteous. The fact of the matter is that if the god you believe determines what is righteous is capable of changing its mind, then it could very well one day demand atrocities and simply name them as righteous. The crusades, for instance, or the inquisition.
Man did those things, sure, but the fact of the matter is that your god could make such things righteous, if what counts as righteous is merely what it decrees as such. Take the commands of god in the OT where he tells the Hebrews to rape, pillage, and slaughter surrounding lands. Atrocities and vileness, condoned as righteous because god said it was okay.
Which is what lead me to say the acts of raping and smashing babies or anything else has no intrinsic value on it's own. Because all of these acts were deemed righteous for a time. which would indicate that the act itself has no meaning. That places the 'righteousness' of an act completely on what or how God judges it.
(February 18, 2013 at 1:54 am)Esquilax Wrote: Why does this hypothetical need to take into account anything else? I get that religious people do good things, so what? What does this have to do with what I'm asking?why would a hypothetical consider something as trivial as relality, when you can convict someone on a fantasy of your own choosing?
After all you are not looking for what this religion is actually founded on. your just looking for a way to find the 'moral high ground' even if you have to escape to a fantasy land of your own making, to find the ground your looking for.
Quote:Which is the reason for self righteousness/Morality to begin with. To put God on trial, convict Him inorder to feel 'Moraly obligated' to seperate one's self from Him, while at the same time minimizing one's own sin.
So is that a yes? It sounds like a yes.
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Absolutly Yes, and it is with this same degree of complete obediance and dedication that I apply to the real world commands God has actually left in the bible.
