(February 19, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:Quote:For your position to hold any water you have to prove two things:
1. Those constants could've been something other that what they are, i.e. they are tunable.
2. Any other type of life-form cannot possibly exist if those conditions are not met.
No, it doesn't make any difference whether there tunable or not. Even if for some unknown reason they had to be as they are its still just as astonishing that if a universe comes into existence it has to be in the narrow range to support life. I'm only concerned about the life forms we do know of not fantasy ones.
The fact that life as we know it seems to have limits outside of which it cannot live is not evidence of a universe finely tuned for life. It IS evidence of evolution, that life itself is tunable, not the other way around.
Drew Wrote:Secondly It doesn't matter to me whether you think the arguments I make hold water. I assume none of them will.
Erm, if you assume that your arguments will not hold water, why bother?
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero
