Religion and LGBT people

[Esquilax]

The thing is, whether or not sexual orientation is a choice is completely irrelevant.

You all thought it was relevant before the evidence stacked up against you.

Huh. I was willing to let all that go, until you said this. Now you've asked for it: since you're so into evidence, let's take a closer look at the evidence you presented, shall we?

Your study's sample group was 98 people, or as we in the scientific community like to say, "criminally small." All of those 98 people were members of Exodus International, indicating some psychological desire to change on their part, possibly enough to be invested enough to trick themselves. The length of time each member of the sample group had been involved in the program varied quite a bit (one to three years) meaning that the individual experiences make it quite hard to draw any valid conclusions.

Of this group, only 11 people reported any change in their attractions, and none of those reported a complete reversal, only that they had become slightly more attracted to the opposite sex as a result of the program. We can put this down quite easily to psychological investment in the program, but even if we didn't, this is a laughably small change. Anecdotally, at least one of the participants later recanted, saying he lied about the change, and is now living as an out gay man.

So, the evidence is hardly stacked against us, John. You simply didn't read your own citation's findings before declaring your position correct by fiat. Big difference.