Religion and LGBT people

[John V]

If you're referring to the bi invisibility report, I responded by showing that the increase in self-identified gays of 1.5% was greater than the decrease of self-identifeid stragihts of .8%, refuting your position that the change was merely a matter of peer pressure on adolescents.

Please go back and read my initial response to that. It says it all.

Please give a link.

And in doing so, you reveal you're not quite getting what peer review is. The initial review before publication is just the pregame show, at most; the real deal comes afterward, when the rest of the scientific community can dissect the results and uncover issues that might not have come to light in the initial testing. The community is its own fraud detector, here, and it will snap up any mistakes or errors very quickly, as it did in this case. The APA kind of does have a ton of credibility.

You didn't link to the APA. Blogs don't have a ton of credibility. I'll do your homework for you. Here's the APA report:
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/the...sponse.pdf
The Jones-Yarhouse study is discussed among others (BTW having read the actual study I retract the charge that APA was singling this one out) in chapter 5. The APA report does not refute or debunk the findings of this or other studies. It says that they don't rise to the level of proof. I don't use this study as a smoking gun, but rather just one piece of several lines of evidence, so this is not a problem.

How would one "concede" a point that he is making? The genetic predisposition thing has been my schtick from the beginning.

Seems to me the schtick of you and others has been genetic determination, not genetic predisposition.

Because it doesn't matter? How would cultural issues alter genetics?

That's the point exactly. unless you're arguing that these other cultures had a widespread bi gene that other cultures lack, then culture has an effect on sexuality, and sexuality is shown not to be determined at birth.

Which question? If it's "When did I choose to be straight," I answered that twice IIRC. You guys just pretend I haven't answered it.

You cited studies in answer, sure. And we refuted them. That happened.[/quote]
That's a non sequitur.

That's not how research works.

According to the APA report, the vast majority of research in this area over the past 50+ years faced similar limitations, yet they still considered it the reviewable research.

Again, avoiding bias is a huge, huge part of mainstream psychological research. And these guys intentionally limited their own pool of samples by staying at Exodus; that was absolutely not all there was to research.

According to the APA report, after the APA stopped calling homosexuality a mental disorder in the 70s, almost all conversion therapy stopped, and now it's most all religious based.