Let's say that science proves that God exists

[Drew_2013]

Yes and he also manipulated other constants to counter balance the effect.

Oh, so in other words you admit that this isn't the only set of constants which could produce the result. Your fine-tuning argument is getting better all the time.

No, using intelligence its concievable the constants could be altered to achieve a specified result. The claim of atheists is this occurred minus any plan, intelligence or intent.

Thats your line of bullshit. If you don't believe the universe was designed and engineered then you believe it came about by happenstance. The crap atheism is just no belief in god is just a debating tactic.

That is a strawman, as well as a misapplication of the law of the excluded middle (there are more than two options).

Don't you ever tire of this silly objections?

So, the uncommitted should decide whether you are right, but you get to decide the truth of what atheists believe. Hypocritical much. I think somebody needs a nap.

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Now I definitely think somebody needs a nap. You miss the overarching point in order to scurry under your typical "I'm not affiliated with any known church" debating tactic.

I'm not affiliated with any church, I'm not promoting any religious belief. If you wish to argue religion, argue with someone who is promoting religious belief.

For any set of conditions that exist in our universe, there are a million and one events that would likely not have occurred if things had been different. To pick any single one of them and say, ah ha, this is the reason for this unlikely scenario and ignore all the others is simply a non sequitur.

Actually there are at least six such constants. It is a fact they are by the narrowest degree imaginable for planets, stars, galaxies and ultimately humans to exist. Just a reminder, I don't care what your opinion is of the arguments I'm making.

That you think that you are that goal, and that he only had this one way, is rather underselling god.

I think all of humanity was the goal including you.

All the fine-tuning argument says is that if things had been different, then things would have been different. The existence of life in this particular universe is no more special than any equally improbable scenario in a universe where life did not occur

What facts are you offering to back up this statement?

All you're showing by making a lot of noise about how improbable the existence of life is, is that you think you're special. You're not. At the end of the day, you're just a soup of chemicals, as unlikely as any of a billion other improbable things.

Thats the atheist worldview in a nutshell, that all of humanity is just a freak accident of nature that was never intended to exist and is just a soup of chemicals. I'm sure the likes of Stalin Pot Pol and Hitler agree with you.

Oh, and for what it's worth, as a theist who isn't committed to any specific creation scenario, by your own criteria, I'm well placed to assess the merit of your arguments. I love it when a plan comes together!

Not from what I have seen.