(February 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Can you call yourself and atheist yet believe the universe was designed and engineered to support life?
As I've already shown you - yes.
(February 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Theism is a belief regarding the most basic philosophical questions that can be asked such as why is there something rather than nothing?
That is not the most basic philosophical question.
(February 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: To be convinced or to have a strong conviction God doesn't exist you must have some information how the state of affairs we observe ourselves came into existence apart from a Creator.
Unnecessary. You just have to see that the concept of god is contradictory to the existence of god.
(February 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: If atheism is true (there is no God) then the universe came into existence by some unknown cause (or it always existed in some form and then suddenly turned into a universe such as we observe) then without plan, design or intent, the laws of physics happened to have the right characteristics to cause life and intelligence to occur.
Nope. Once again, this is a misrepresentation of atheist position upon which you have been corrected multiple times already
(February 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: In other words, life came from non-life and intelligence arose from non-intelligence. Two characteristics emerged from something totally unlike what is alleged to have caused it.
Why is that a problem?
(February 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: The majority of atheists I have chatted with want to frame this discussion as one in which the theist is the only one making a claim, that the burden of evidence rests with the theist alone and if they fail to completely totally satisfy the atheists relentless demand for indisputable irrefutable evidence of Gods existence then atheism triumphs by default. Then we don't have to consider how natural mindless forces without plan or intent caused a life bearing universe to come into existence. Neither I nor any theist has indisputable irrefutable evidence God exists so the atheist is assured he or she will 'win' the argument.
Good. So we can agree that atheists have won this argument.
