what being apart from the law means.

[Drich]

A/S/K is fraudulent and false advertising. It cannot work for anyone who is in a position of ignorance of God or incredulous about him. You cannot even begin the process until you make six huge, incredible assumptions:

1. God exists.
2. God is a personal God.
3. All other Gods are false.
4. Jesus existed.
5. Jesus died for your sins.
6. The Bible is the infallible word of God (how can you trust the verses which allegedly instruct you how to A/S/K if you doubt the book's veracity?)

By the time you've gotten to the point where you can make yourself even begin to A/S/K, you've already padlocked all the doors in your mind which can ever lead you to doubt that you're going to get precisely the answer you expect. A/S/K is nothing more than convoluted mental masturbation.

Precisely!!! I wrote a thread on this explaining that since the believer's world view includes the things that you have listed, it is expected by them that God will speak to them. In other words: game, set & match because the believer is so incredibly biased with their perception of reality that they will fulfill their own needs & expectations, no matter the religion (hence why every religious person can tell you of their "experiences" with god(s) X(Y,Z,X1...)).

Now take another step back and follow your thought to it's conclusion.. Months tick by, maybe even years, and at some point the 'believer' (maybe after after loosing the girl he wanted to someone elses even after he had struck a deal with his idea of God) concludes he has been behind his own experience of god all along. Then what happpens? Then the disgruntled misotheists takes the name Atheist because 'Miso/hate' and intollerance is a soceitial sin that is not easily over come. Starts an anti God Campaign (unknowingly this is most likly the first bit of honest 'seeking' the Miso, has ever done.) Unfortunatly pride keeps the Miso from the Ask/Knock part because of "ALL" the "Christian things" he did in the past.

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However when the wishes stop, and one Earnestly A/S/K God shows up and when He does there is not doubt who He is.

It's all apart of the process of maturing.

It sounds like you're trying to say that the A/S/K procedure can be unbiased, despite the predication that you already assume that the foundations of believing in the the christian god specifically have already been accepted.

Do you have a 6th grade version of your post you would like to share?

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actually no you haven't, for the parable in Luke 11 does not have an end date. It's a do/doing process, there is no 'try.'

Then A/S/K for Him as Luke 11 tells you to do. Don't add anything don't take anything away. Just do as God instructs and God will show up. the more faithful you are to what He has given you, the more you will see of Him. What better 'proof' of God is there than God Himself?

The above is the perfect demonstration of how twisted A/S/K is. It's no more different to the brainwashing in 1984:

Torturer: what's 2 + 2?
Victim: 4!
*torture*
T: what's 2 + 2?!
V: FOUR!!
*torture*
...
T: what's 2 + 2??
V: what do you want it to be?

Christian: I will A/S/K
*nothing happens*
*irritation/desperation setting in*
C: God, I'm A/S/King!
*nothing*
*irritation/desperation getting stronger*
C: A/S/K, A/S/K, A/S/K!!!!
C: there it is! That warm feeling!

Self-fulfillment never fails when faith takes over reason.

Didn't I already shoot this 1984 A/s/k thing down already? I think it had something to do with Chocolate last time..