Quote:Actually, it is not an established fact that they have to be within an astounding degree of tolerance - something that has been refuted over and over again and yet you keep bringing it up.
No one has refuted the fact, they just object to it or make a hypothetical counter argument and demand I prove thier hypothetical isn't true. A hypothetical is a manufactured assumption to begin with, it doesn't need to be proven false. Of course your going to say as an atheist that any objection you raise to a line of evidence in your opinion refutes the evidence. That and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee.
Quote:Pretty much the same way you keep bringing up the false dichotomy between happenstance and design. Let me be clear - I do not believe it was by plan and I do not believe it was by happenstance.
Good I have reduced you to incoherent babbling and proposing a situation that can't be articulated or for which there is no example you can present. Oh an for which you can't submit any facts that support your far flung hypothesis. But please do try.
Quote:Here's what we do agree on - the universe exists, 'mindless' natural forces operate within it and they eventually led to the existence of life. I'm not the one adding anything new to this set - you are. You are positing a) a cause of the universe, b) that the cause had a plan and design and c) that it is personal and transcendent. All those are positive claims which require to meet the burden of proof.
Exactly, its your contention that mindless, lifeless forces without plan, design or knowledge or desire caused something to exist totally unlike itself, life and mind. And I am submitting (for now) just one line of evidence in support of my claim. Atheists typically insist that there contention should be some sort of default position unless proven otherwise. Why should I believe your extraordinary claim minus any evidence mindless forces can bootstrap themselves into existence and cause sentient humans to exist? How is that proposal any less a miracle than the counter proposal it was designed and caused to happen by plan?
