RE: Let's say that science proves that God exists
March 1, 2013 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm by genkaus.)
(March 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: No one has refuted the fact, they just object to it or make a hypothetical counter argument and demand I prove thier hypothetical isn't true. A hypothetical is a manufactured assumption to begin with, it doesn't need to be proven false. Of course your going to say as an atheist that any objection you raise to a line of evidence in your opinion refutes the evidence. That and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee.
Do you even read the arguments? Apo has refuted your notion quite a few times. That you still believe it to stand is a testament to your own ignorance.
(March 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Good I have reduced you to incoherent babbling and proposing a situation that can't be articulated or for which there is no example you can present. Oh an for which you can't submit any facts that support your far flung hypothesis. But please do try.
Try what? Argue against your nonsensical ideas or acknowledge your idiotic dichotomy?
(March 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Exactly, its your contention that mindless, lifeless forces without plan, design or knowledge or desire caused something to exist totally unlike itself, life and mind.
That much is known to be true.
(March 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: And I am submitting (for now) just one line of evidence in support of my claim. Atheists typically insist that there contention should be some sort of default position unless proven otherwise. Why should I believe your extraordinary claim minus any evidence mindless forces can bootstrap themselves into existence and cause sentient humans to exist?
Because the theory of evolution has explained how it happened.
(March 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: How is that proposal any less a miracle than the counter proposal it was designed and caused to happen by plan?
Because it uses naturalistic explanation, which, by definition, is non-miraculous.
(March 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: I can offer facts that support my contention...not that it will make any difference to you, you'll still whine moan and complain because thats what atheists are trained to do. In our own solar system it is fact that life doesn't exist on the moon, life doesn't exist on Mars and may have never existed on Mars. To the best of our knowledge life doesn't and never has existed on Venus or Mercury. So even in a life permitting universe, in a solar system known to contain life it appears (from the facts) that life requires certain conditions to occur. I don't have to disprove a supposition on your part that life may occur under different circumstances. Offer evidence it did or does.
Those facts don't support your contention. Life is known to exist in some pretty extreme conditions as would be found on mars or moon. That shows that the absence of life there is non-indicative of there being any mythical specific conditions.
(March 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: I came to this forum to make my case in favor of theism, not to get approval of my case from advocates of atheism or to persuade them of anything. At any given time there are lurkers viewing our responses who are not convinced of either side of this debate. Those are the people who can read our debate and decide for themselves who has made the better case. So far in my opinion you are getting your head handed to you.
Lurkers disagree. Clearly they see that you are the one getting his ass handed to him.
