(March 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Atheism is by defintion not or without God. Try looking it up. And you're right I do have a lot of nerve.
Alright, fine. You've been told long enough. You believe in a giant clown who shits rainbows, and cartwheeled across the heavens to create the universe while singing showtunes with his faithful sharktopus companion, and you mock my belief system?
What's that? Misrepresentation? Do you fucking get it now?
Quote:I can offer facts that support my contention...not that it will make any difference to you, you'll still whine moan and complain because thats what atheists are trained to do. In our own solar system it is fact that life doesn't exist on the moon, life doesn't exist on Mars and may have never existed on Mars. To the best of our knowledge life doesn't and never has existed on Venus or Mercury. So even in a life permitting universe, in a solar system known to contain life it appears (from the facts) that life requires certain conditions to occur. I don't have to disprove a supposition on your part that life may occur under different circumstances. Offer evidence it did or does.
All this means is that life is rare. It certainly doesn't mean that life can exist only within your narrow band. And if you'd kept your claim reasonable we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Instead, you made an additional claim, namely that any other possibility is merely a hypothetical and thus not worth discussing. Since you're so arrogantly dismissing this out of hand, surely you must have some proof that your claim is exclusively the right one, else why on earth would you refuse to even entertain the possibility that you might be wrong?
Quote:I came to this forum to make my case in favor of theism, not to get approval of my case from advocates of atheism or to persuade them of anything. At any given time there are lurkers viewing our responses who are not convinced of either side of this debate. Those are the people who can read our debate and decide for themselves who has made the better case. So far in my opinion you are getting your head handed to you.
Oh look, another by fiat declaration with nothing backing it up...
Quote:No one has refuted the fact, they just object to it or make a hypothetical counter argument and demand I prove thier hypothetical isn't true. A hypothetical is a manufactured assumption to begin with, it doesn't need to be proven false. Of course your going to say as an atheist that any objection you raise to a line of evidence in your opinion refutes the evidence. That and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee.
Okay, I'm about to blow your tiny fucking mind: your proposed claim is a hypothetical too, by your own model. You are making an assumption- that life can only exist within a narrow band- as the hinge of your argument, yet you've been unable to prove the exclusivity of this. Which would be fine, if you then accepted the possibility that other conditions could lead to other forms of life. But you're dismissing those, which means one of two things: either you have some evidence to show that your position is the only correct one and ours cannot be, or you're an arrogant dick who thinks dismissing a claim counts as refuting it.
Multiple times in this thread you've had the flaws in your argumentation pointed out to you, and you refuse to so much as acknowledge that it's happened, all the while proclaiming victory at every turn, demanding unreasonable standards of evidence from everyone else while expecting we take you on faith, and dictating to us what we believe in order to strawman us. Put simply, your conduct thus far has been incredibly dishonest, rude, and poorly thought out. Now, either actually debate with us, which would include refuting our points instead of ignoring them, or admit that you have no evidence that yours is the only possible answer, you just don't have an answer for our valid reasoning.
Because those are the two options, here. There's no third option where you can continue asserting bullshit and ignoring any argument made against you while still maintaining credibility. Prove yourself, or admit you can't.
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