Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 2, 2025, 9:20 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
An original argument against creationism
#13
RE: An original argument against creationism
Quote:Which of course raises a very valid counter question: if god wanted to "give" us both good and evil, why did he bind up all knowledge of those two subjects in the fruit of that extra special tree, and then bar his creations from eating from it and imbibing that knowledge?
Death comes through sin (Rom 6:23)- therefore Adam and Eve had to sin for this to be at all possible. Was this a mistake? No- God put the tree right in the middle of the garden next to the tree of life. Every time Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life, the tree of knowledge would've been tempting them ALL the time, for ALL their everlasting life... the fact was, they had to eat from the tree. It was God's plan.
It could have just been Adam and Eve just sitting there for eternity- doing the same things like robots with no gratitude towards God, and no comprehension of his goodness... but instead God decided to give them free choice, a chance to understanding his goodness for themselves, and to accept him for themselves.
Quote: depends on the bible verses you choose to believe, I suppose
I believe in the whole bible... but I guess you're talking about the bible-verses where God 'sins', such as by the flood and hell? What we forget about the flood was that the world had 120 years to repent. In accordance with Jer 18:7-10, God may have either 'taken back' the threat, or allowed them to come aboard the Ark... on the other hand, 'Hell' is simply a mistake, in summary: the Hebrew word translated 'hell' is 'sheol', which simply means grave, and that is the same for 'Hades' in greek. 'Gehenna' in greek is talking about the valley of hinnom where the trash was burnt- so I guess that is a bit of disgraceful place to die. The idea of a supernatural place of eternal torment is a scare tactic that can't be supported by the bible very well at all.
Quote: and on how sure of salvation you are
Rom 8:27 to the end (of ch8) illustrates that theres nothing stopping us from salvation but ourselves.
But I guess you're talking about the truth of God's promise. Given that the vast majority of his promises have already been fulfilled- I think the odds for the kingdom are fairly high! Consider Israel- it was predicted to have been restored (Ezek 38:8, for example) which paves the way for the kingdom to finally come (Zech 14). What we can expect is a massive attack on Israel when 2/3rd will die (Zech 13:8) and 1/2 will be taken captive (Zech 14:1-2) (general information: Ezek 38 & 39; Zech 14 & 13:8)- that's when God will intervene. If Israel is completely conquered, you win; and I'll probably be atheist. (EDIT: but that's not the only reason I'd become an atheist- I'm here to be open)
Quote: Another questions comes, then: why hasn't god intervened already? Why would he allow evil and suffering at all? What's the benefit of that?
That question could have been asked at any time in history, right up to the point that he would have had to intervene as soon as it all started! I bet if that was the case, God will then have been criticised because of His submission to our demands- why then should we regard Him if He submitted to us in that way? Also, the fact that the kingdom isn't here yet means we still a chance. If God intervened right at the beginning, it would just be Adam and Eve... and they'd have seen no reason to be grateful whatsoever.
[/quote]"Why would he allow this at all?" The benefit of that is explained in my previous post- once we know evil, we can fully appreciate good when it finally all comes.
I'm kinda busy and don't have much time for these forums, so if you respond to this post, don't expect me to reply immediately- but I will try to get back to you sometime.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
An original argument against creationism - by Nerd - March 3, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: An original argument against creationism - by Nerd - March 3, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: An original argument against creationism - by jap23 - March 3, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: An original argument against creationism - by Nerd - March 3, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: An original argument against creationism - by jap23 - March 4, 2013 at 12:47 am
RE: An original argument against creationism - by jap23 - March 4, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: An original argument against creationism - by genkaus - March 7, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: An original argument against creationism - by Ape - March 9, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: An original argument against creationism - by smax - March 20, 2013 at 6:57 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Is my argument against afterlife an equivocation fallacy? FlatAssembler 61 7205 June 20, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  A simple argument against God Disagreeable 149 22704 December 29, 2022 at 11:59 am
Last Post: Mister Agenda
  My Almighty VS your argument against it Won2blv 43 6675 May 5, 2022 at 9:13 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ? R00tKiT 225 32731 April 17, 2022 at 2:11 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  What is the best counter argument against "What do you lose by believing?" Macoleco 25 3201 May 1, 2021 at 8:05 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  The Argument Against Evil-lution no one 19 4970 January 5, 2020 at 7:58 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Why do atheists think Original Sin isn't real? ErGingerbreadMandude 34 8672 January 21, 2017 at 5:31 pm
Last Post: vorlon13
  Evolution and Creationism PerennialPhilosophy 33 6580 March 23, 2016 at 2:57 am
Last Post: robvalue
  What's up with creationism? bussta33 104 14998 January 23, 2016 at 11:49 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
  Matt Dillahunty's great argument against some people who deny Evolution Heat 1 2714 November 11, 2015 at 4:12 am
Last Post: ignoramus



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)