(March 4, 2013 at 11:53 pm)jstrodel Wrote:Quote:In the world of science, a "new discovery" is compiled into a journal and then chucked out into the world for the rest of scientists to tear it to pieces. If it doesn't and experiments reproduce the same observations and similar data, then guess what, you most likely have something reflecting reality. The same amount of "faith" goes into this as the faith I have that there's a computer in front of me, which can be verified by my different family members.
No, because you can't understand what is in those journals. You have to trust that someone else has had the experiences. The verification is only possible if you are a scientist. It is no different from following a religion
You have no excuse in this day and age. If you seek knowledge in a particular area of science, then jump on the web and enlighten yourself. The difference here between science and religion is that with science you will find the solid justifications for things whereas with religion we get stuck at "just have faith" every time we ask to confirm something.
Quote:If you are talking about complex social and cultural issues, when you talk you will have to trust the native speakers assessment of whether those things are good. Of course you can verify very simple things that you can see. But that is not really what it is like to learn a language, which involves becoming familiar with many concepts but yet not having any way to test them or know whether they are good or bad. It is very philosophical.
What do you mean by "good & bad" here? Are we talking morally, or true/false?
Quote:You do not have an open mind and you are just writing things to disprove what I am saying, without caring whether I am writing something accurate or not.
HUH? The fact that I have evaluated your post and asked myself how accurate it is is what motivated me to respond to you. Isn't that how we all function in forums?!
Please think your thoughts through before wildly pinning something so nonsensical against someone.
Quote:No, when you learn things, you never learn through verification. When you learn math, you don't learn math through doing proofs. You learn math through recitation.
My year 12 calculus & geometry exam was about 30% pure mathematical proofs. I'm now studying engineering and I can't help but literally chuckle at this. Mathematics isn't something you recite in a ritual circle twice a day. It's something derived from pure reasoning that logically builds from foundational maxims. Proofs are the backbone of maths.
Quote:The same thing as learning almost anything. At a certain level you can learn through doing proofs and reading scientific journals themselves and repeating the experiments, but in general most learning is through the argument from authority.
Wrong. The evidence/proofs are out there. If you wish to enlighten yourself, then do so. We live in an age where information isn't bounded, it's everywhere and anywhere you look. Go find it yourself.
Quote:Why should I have to prove anything to you? What scientific concepts can you prove outside of a science lab? What can you prove in plain text, maybe there is some mathematical concepts, not much else.
I expect proof whenever someone says I should believe claim X. In this instance, you obviously are here to shine the light of "the anointed one" and therefore if you wish for me to believe you, I'll need the solid proofs of what you claim to be true.
Quote:Christians are responsible for a large part of the current scientific understanding of the world. Science arose in Western Christian Universities that were founded by people to train ministers. If you are talking about YEC, that is true that there is not much scientific evidence for that. But modern science owes its existence to God and the Christian world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science
That's great, but so what? Does this all of a sudden mean Jesus Christ actually rose from the dead?
Quote:I know that I am right because I have seen so many miracles and have experienced so much in my walk with God. It is my relationship with God that guides me, made stronger by the things I have seen with my own eyes. Atheists are the ignorant ones.
Once again, that's good for you and only you. If you stepped back for once and analysed these "miracles", I'm confident that you would be able to see the reasonable explanations for what you have seen.
Quote:I am sorry to hear that. What was your level of commitment to the Christian church? Did you serve in ministry? Did you have sin in your life? Did you look at pornography or fornicate or abuse alcohol? Were you ready to give your life for Jesus Christ? I do not know why God hasn't appeared to you. I know that God is real, I have seen miracles, I have seen also people not getting healed also.
What was the thing that finally made you leave?
I was going to church 4 times a week; Bible study group, worship team practice, youth group & Sunday mass. So my particular commitments to the church was playing for the worship team & being part of the team that would welcome new people to youth group and genuinely build friendships with them. I'm absolutely sure that I gave my life to Jesus because I would actively be doing works to bring heaven to earth. Such actions wouldn't have sprung out from me if I didn't trust Jesus and his claims of who he said he was.
I have briefly explained what made me leave in the thread you recently started.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
