(March 17, 2013 at 8:12 am)Dawud Wrote: As in past Global Attitudes surveys, publics in predominantly Muslim countries believe that democracy can work in their countries. Large and growing majorities in Morocco (83%), Lebanon (83%), Jordan (80%) and Indonesia (77%) — as well as pluralities in Turkey (48%) and Pakistan (43%) — say democracy can work well and is not just for the West.
Oh lol. That "democracy" can work what?
I ponted out to you thhat officialy only 4 countries are non democracies, and that most of the countries which officialy called themselves democracies arent.
A Pakistani will say that democracy works and that he is pro - democracy, even although his country brutaly discriminates minorities and even ciminalises the through the states insitutions.
And!:
(March 17, 2013 at 8:12 am)the germans are coming wrote these statistics down earlier and you ignored them because you are a twat Wrote: People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-yea...r-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/0...fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,...51,00.html
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/...-laden.htm
Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-te...erman.html
Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate/
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakis...te-deaths/
Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...a-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html
GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/str...-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good...in-canada/
World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf
World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_ge...&bolum=100
Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY...wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor".
http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/pete...ur-nation/
Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43207
95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011...tful-name/
A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
http://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3402230
Two-thirds of young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...veals.html
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...a-law.html
2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress...500798601A
Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-gree...failure/2/
Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY...wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
Policy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
Policy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist
Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf
Policy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/...es/246.pdf
Die Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...rheit.html
Ipsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/re.../28257.htm
Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/s...al-values/
Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim...df#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/
Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...extremism/
Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/s...gn-policy/
ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist
Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10...xpression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/...lieve.html
Most of these subjects and the opinions muslims have of them show very very very clearly: Most Muslims eighter dont understand what democracy and pluralism is.
Or lie when asked about what they think of democracy.
Or you are lieing.
Quote:Pew forum - say that they are wrong and you are a fool
YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I posted several statistics and surveis by PEW, you ignored these that I posted and now you think that I may think that they are liers!
If you want to participate in debates, you should finaly start reading you opponents arguments!
Quote:This co-existence existed all over including Andalusia in Spain to give a beautiful example - FROM HISTORY -
Are you fucking serious!?
Non muslims in early medieval andalusia didnt have any legal representation, were treated unequaly and had to pay the "non believer" tax.
Adding to that - the various emirates that ruled andalusia were dictators by modern standerds.
Let me explain pluralism to your weak mind:
Pluralism is not just various different peoples with various different beliefs and opinions living together in a sociaty.
Pluralism is various different peoples with various different beliefs and opinions living together in a sociaty in which all of them have equal rights!
Do you understand that derp?
Quote:The jizya was a military waiver paid by only men fit for the army if they wished to not fight in the army - Muslims have even paid jizya
?!?! does this example of a medieval army say anything about islam today?
plus, this idiotic example doesnt change a single one of the facts I listed above!
Quote:Muslims were also "taxed" you nutter - it's called Zakat and it can work out as even more than jizya.
(March 17, 2013 at 8:12 am)Wikipedia says Wrote: Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزية ǧizyah IPA: [dʒizja]; Ottoman Turkish: cizye is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state's non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is and was to be levied on able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[1] (but with specific exemptions).
You moron! I never doubted the fact that muslims were taxed aswel!!!
The fact that a "special tax" for non muslims existed is enought to show how people were treated unequaly.
This seems to be the only point you adress, whilest being completly unable to understand how dis concepts seeds inequality into a sociaty.
plus, you couldnt give any arguments against the other totalitarian aspects listed - probably for one single reason - because you cant!
And who are you calling a "nutter"? You are the one who ignores facts and the sources I post because they dont fit into your worldview!
Quote:Taxation is not oppression you fool! Infact Non-Muslims could live tax free in a Muslim community if they fought to defend the pluralist society.
YOU UTTER AND COMPLETE IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never said that taxation was oppression you fool!!!! YOU MORON!!!!
What I listed was the fact that a special group was taxed simply because they were different - which is oppressive and discriminatory!!!
Quote:But you don't want to see if that's true - so just keep on bablin
YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dont even seem to understand what oppressive means, neighter do you even seem to understand the concepts of pluralism!
You defend discriminatory islamic practices as if they werent bad at all and try to explain with your idiotic wording how they are the most normal thing on the planet! All whilest completly ignoring everything I post and only replying to where you see a chance to reply because you dont have anything to counter at other points!
Quote:MILLIONS of Muslims are pro democracy
Yeah! The kind of democracy where only muslims can vote! Or in which people are stoned! Or women cant vote! Or 12 year old girls are married to old men!
The main issue wasnt democracy! It was human rights and pluralism - and how your religion rejects it!!!!!!
Quote:So you are wrong about that - admit that and I will entertain a conversation with you
YOu are not capable of conversation! You pick the parts to which you reply while ignoring those which dont fit into your worldview!
And what makes you think that I have to deserve the privilege of talking to you! You arent even worth talking! You dont reply all arguments! You ignore things which refute you! You put words into peoples mouth! You are dishonest! And as we can see through your last statement - an arrogant person who thinks of himself as superior!
It is absolutly no privilege ceonversing with you! It simply sharpens my skills in finding the statistics again on which I base my views of the negative influence your savage religion is having on this civilised continent!