Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

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But just to drive a point home, you said: "there's something valuable about human lives, but not about their genetics and individual cells.". And this is why you won't admit that a zygote/fetus is an individual human life, because then you'd be a hypocrite... After all, an individual human lifeform encompasses all of it's cells, even if only 1.

Yes, there is something valuable about human lives. But I do not think that a zygote or fetus is a complete human life. I've said this multiple times; it is to humans as a tadpole is to a frog.

Okay? Now you have that. You have my answer. But I bet your next post will be another one asking me if I'll admit that a fetus is fully human. You are showing a profoundly dishonest debate tactic here, trying to poison the well before the debate proper even begins, and in doing so dragging out the initial portions obscenely.

I think you're doing this on purpose, because if this is just how you argue, then you're a goddamn toddler. You have our answer: in a real debate, you'd move on from there and examine the opposing viewpoint. Your tactic so far has just been to insist that we all agree to your (intentionally biased toward the appeals to emotion you'll no doubt make in a real debate) definition of things, and to repeat that insistence over and over until we give up. You asked a question, and you think that the proper response when you don't get an answer you like is to repeat the question and hope that the answer will change.

You're trying to gear the conversation in your favor through dishonest and amateurish means before it's even started. And now you need to stop, if you want to be taken seriously; we can either actually debate this issue, or you can chip away at your remaining credibility by asking a question you already have an answer to.

We don't agree with your opinion of this. The way to change our minds isn't to simply restate your original position over and over until we become tired. You know this.

I've also attempted to allude to some of the more complex concepts this debate could include, some more in depth discussions of life, but time after time you've dragged us back to a question we refuse to give you the answer you want on.

Now move on, catfish. Ask your next question.