RE: When green energy harms the enviroment
March 18, 2013 at 12:19 am
(This post was last modified: March 18, 2013 at 12:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 14, 2013 at 1:25 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: You cannot equate one evil with another.Not equating, simply comparing based upon the yardstick of waste. Solar and wind both have associated wastes. Manufacturing processes/materials could improve though and that would alleviate the issues either has. Nuclear is absolutely an alternative, in the same way that bajillions of hamsters in wheels is an alternative - my money goes on the nukes, if fossil fuels, hamsters, and nuclear are our choices.
Sure nuclear energy doesnt cause waste that harms the climate.
And I am unaware of the waste which wind and solar causes.
Point is, nuclear energy is not an alternative to fossil fuels because it produces nuclear waste and has proven to have catastophic consequences when accidents occure.
Quote:Plus. To simply "keep it cold and dry" is not "simple".Dry and deep, dry and deep...and it is actually pretty simple.
Quote:The ground is a constantly moving and not always dry thing.True, but in alot of places it moves very, very slowly and -is- always dry. Technically it only had to be stored under watch for abut 10,00 years, after that a dose from a waste facility would be smaller than the dose from an x-ray - even if the facility were compromised.
Adding to that, one has to store the waste for a million year.
Quote:A million years -is- a long time....... We, the users of said technology would pay for it. The operators of the facility combined with all appropriate overseeing agencies would give this "guarantee" - same as any other waste disposal or treatment area...same as our drinking water, etc etc etc. It can be stored in purpose built facilities (Yucca for example), you move it (in case of some unforeseen emergency) the same way you got it to the site (rail and truck).
Maybe big numbers have turned to seem little with todays value of money and ecetera, but let me make it clear: A million years is a long time!
Who will pay the costs of storing the stuff? who will give the guarantee of safety? where can it be stored safely and if nowhere how can it be put out of storage and repositioned?
Quote:Do you have any idea what a logistical mastery that would require?It's impressive, don't get me wrong, but we've done much, much more complicated things - and sometimes we spend even more on shit that isn't complicated or really all that difficult in the first place.
Not to mention the enormous amounts of money one would need to spend.
Quote:And who would pay that money? The energy companies? - Do you even believe that these will exist for the upcoming 1 000 000 years???We're (The US) actually paying those energy companies a great dea of money right now because we failed to meet the conditions of a contract we signed to take the waste and store it at the site we (mostly) built until it was de-funded........ To add insult to injury, almost immediately after it's politically motivated defunding, our government began to express how seriously we needed to "find" a place to dispose of our nuclear waste, motherfuckers.
Nope, nuclear power is simply not worth the risk.
What risk, again, from all the way up top, the risks of other power sources are pretty well known. Fossil fuel "aint worth it", neither are solar or wind in their current forms. What's this shadowy and nebulous risk that follows nuclear power wherever it goes? It's not like they're setting off bombs next door.
(March 14, 2013 at 6:40 am)pocaracas Wrote: You did raise an interesting point, there... perhaps unknowingly.Not actually much of a problem. I'll try to find an old DOE clip showing two containment/transport cars colliding (simulating a head on rail collision at max speed) without damaging the containment units. They already thought of that...hehehehe.
Transport of radioactive material from reactor to waste processing facility is probably the most hazardous moment for these materials.
Leaks are more probable, because mobile containers are less efficient than buildings with tons and tons of concrete.
Theft is a possibility, that's why these transport vessels have a lot of police escort.... but even so, they're still a juicy target.
Ol'fashioned terrorism - it's much simpler to blow up a truck on the road than a heavily guarded building.
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