RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm by catfish.)
C'mon. Nobody says a word about my spelling "mistake"? lol
Or do we just agree that all killing of human life is wrong and assign degrees of "wrongness" to it. I.E. It's wrong to kill a female fetus for sexist reasons but it's really wrong to kill a fetus to maintain some image of beauty as portrayed by the media.
The way the law is set up here in the states, we have what is called "squatter's rights" which allows someone to basically live on your property rent-free. Then with evictions, there's a standard appeal procedure which can be extended for months. In some places here, an ex can have you evicted out of your own house. An artical of clothing is sufficient to prove residency in some states. In most, just receiving mail at an address establishes legal residence.
(March 19, 2013 at 11:12 am)Esquilax Wrote:Now what is just cause? If the mother doesn't want saggy tits or strechmarks? What if she doesn't want to stop smoking or taking drugs?catfish Wrote:Now this is something I agree with.
So can I also assume that you find taking human life (without just cause) immoral also?
Well, that goes without saying.
Or do we just agree that all killing of human life is wrong and assign degrees of "wrongness" to it. I.E. It's wrong to kill a female fetus for sexist reasons but it's really wrong to kill a fetus to maintain some image of beauty as portrayed by the media.
(March 19, 2013 at 11:12 am)Esquilax Wrote:Do you mean the zygote is in the same position with someone else in control or do you mean that you too would swat it like a fly?Quote:Actually, some forms that I find acceptable like killing a fly that hovers around your food I would find unacceptable to do in the outdoors when personal "space" has not been violated. I.E. people who rip the wings off or kill just because they can.
Agreed, and that's the difference; we instinctively dislike mindless cruelty, but we're perfectly willing to kill the fly once it becomes a direct inconvenience. The fly's life isn't worth the trade off for our comfort; I feel that the zygote is in the same position, at least until it develops a little more.
(March 19, 2013 at 11:12 am)Esquilax Wrote:But the mother (except in the case of rape) willingly invited the zygote to come stay.Quote:For me, if I had to draw a line that wasn't at conception, it would be when the zygote attaches to the uterus.
I look at this way... It's kind of like someone snatching you and dropping you off naked on some small, private island. They give you all the food and air you need. It's perfect weather. Clean and sanitary and comfortable as Hades. Then they get all fucking mad at you for eating their food and whack ya.
I think there's a flaw in that analogy. A more accurate one would be that I own the island, and either someone accidentally skydives onto my perfect island, or someone else dumps them (possibly forcibly) onto my island. Now, while it's certainly not that person's fault that they ended up on my island, I'm certainly not obligated to host them in my house for nine months, and then on my island sharing my things for eighteen years after that, am I?
The way the law is set up here in the states, we have what is called "squatter's rights" which allows someone to basically live on your property rent-free. Then with evictions, there's a standard appeal procedure which can be extended for months. In some places here, an ex can have you evicted out of your own house. An artical of clothing is sufficient to prove residency in some states. In most, just receiving mail at an address establishes legal residence.