Science and religion

[Mister Agenda]

Here is one. It does not prove that the Christian God exists, but it raises the question of what does. It goes along with big bang cosmology.

Well, it's a good example of my claim that there are no arguments for the existence of God that have both reasonable premises and are non-fallacious.

1. Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence;

We only have two examples of things beginning to exist, the rest are all transformations of previously existing matter and energy. The two examples are the universe and virtual particles. Virtual particles come into existence because of indeterminancy. A similar mathematical model works for the universe.

2. The universe has a beginning of its existence;

In its current form, at least. Time is funny, when you get back before Planck time, it becomes another spatial dimension.

3. The universe has a cause of its existence.

Which doesn't imply anything supernatural at all. QM says the least that can possibly exist is 'quantum foam' with the inherent potential to spontaneously form a universe of space, time, matter, and energy.

1. A human experience of morality is observed.

Now that's a sound premise.

2. God is seen to be the best or only explanation for this moral experience.

And this is sneaking in what you want to prove as a premise AND it's mere assertion AND science explains it better. Fail.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Non sequitur.

"When you see a sundial or a water-clock, you see that it tells the time by design and not by chance. How then can you imagine that the universe as a whole is devoid of purpose and intelligence, when it embraces everything, including these artifacts themselves and their artificers?"
—Cicero, De Natura Deorum, ii. 34

Argument from incredulity, fallacy of composition.

1 Who has believed our message ? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed ? 2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground ; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. 3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief ; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. 4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried ; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities ; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way ; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth ; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due? 9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth. 10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief ; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:1-10, written 700 years before Christ

Jews say the 'Man of Sorrows' represents the nation of Israel itself in Babylonian captivity, but what would they know about the Old Testament? Christians cherry-picked the OT for verses they could claim prophesied Jesus, this is one of the best examples of it, taking a song of hope for freedom and saying 'they were talking about Jesus, totally dude'.

The arguments work when you study all of them together. God has the power to explain many serious problems that are not explained by science, and is a valid hypothesis for explanation. When you seek God further, God reveals Gods nature to you confirming the hypothesis with miracles.

You can't get to success by adding your failures together. Magic is just as good an explanation for things not yet explained by science. And if all that were true, it would be easy to prove it.