(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: rjh4 being a real Christian in my view is not about simply stating that you believe and accept Jesus as your lord and savior, it requires some changes in the way you live and in how you think.
While some of this could be debated, I agree that being a real Christian should involve changes in the way one lives and how one thinks.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: It's easy for anyone to profess Christianity but it is a whole different matter trying to live according to the scriptures. Everything that is natural to our species is a sin: fornication, lying, lusting (women or others good fortune or property), idolatry which in my view most catholics are guilty of.
I agree.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Anyone who tells me that he or she has never told a lie in their entire lives I would dismiss outright.
Me too.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Premarital sex is something that is common place here in the U.S. Men lust after women and vice versa on a daily basis. With the diversity of cultures residing in the world idolatry is the norm for most people. Envy is something that happens all the time on a small or large scale.
Again, I agree.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Trying to live a life according to gods rules is impossible
Trying is not impossible but certainly actually living a live according to God's rules is impossible for us...even according to Christianity. That is why we need Jesus and to rely on God for help in living according to His rules.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Someone who tells me they are Christians and live life just like the rest of us eating, drinking, and being merry with the certainty that tomorrow we die is not a Christian in my opinion.
I certainly understand you position here.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: A Christians ultimate goal is to be Christ like in every aspect of his or her life and if that person is not willing to make those sacrifices then he is not a Christian. It's ironic how Jesus sacrificed his life for us according to the scriptures but at the same time serving Christ requires that you do the same.
Again, while some of this could be debated, I agree that being a real Christian should involve these things.
(November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm)chatpilot Wrote: In closing to answer your question in one sentence you lose your freedom to enjoy this life to the fullest doing what makes you happy.
This seems somewhat contradictory to your earlier statement: "It's true that the aforementioned acts are not good but my argument is that they are natural." It seems like you are saying that doing things that are not good but are natural is what makes one happy. If you know those things are not good, why would they make one happy, even if they are natural? If you agree that those things you mentioned are not good, then wouldn't going against your nature and giving those things up (with God's help) actually make your life better, thus no real loss. I know for me, the more I rely upon God to give up those natural affections, the more peace I have in life. Totally worth it to me and no real loss is involved.