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Question for the Former Theists
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RE: Question for the Former Theists
(March 22, 2013 at 6:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Even if this doesn't make you doubt any longer, it should at least get you to question the whether a god that would create a system that would punish people for eternity for finite thought crimes deserves to be worshiped.

It might be more than just a simple thought crime. I think it is much deeper and stronger than that because in Islam, belief/non-belief is primarily tied to the conditions of one's heart and to it's unique intuition called "fitrah". There are also verses in the Quran itself which state that the non-believers have "wronged their own souls," but they do not perceive it at the moment.

As for the "eternity" part, I don't know what my experience of time itself would feel like in a whole different reality. Our sense of time and even our consciousness might be such a one that we have never experienced nor been able to imagine before, so I cannot really determine the exact nature nor the moral applications of living in an "eternal" habitat.

(March 22, 2013 at 6:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Because you're beliefs are not supported by demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid logic. They are based on emotion and wishful thinking.

But even evidence is subjective sometimes because people have different standards in regards to what is sufficient as an evidence for something. And coming to the issue of a valid logic, understand that logic itself has limitations as demonstrated by one of the greatest logicians named Kurt Godel who, through his Incompleteness Theorem, proved that even in mathematical systems, there are certain axiomatic statements which are true but they cannot be proved to be true. In other words, they just have to be accepted to be true without proof. Hence logic is "incomplete," and so Godel's theorem fundamentally destroyed the belief that logic is absolute.

"Gödel showed that provability is a weaker notion than truth, no matter what axiom system is involved "

http://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html
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Question for the Former Theists - by thesummerqueen - March 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Rev. Rye - March 22, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Silver - March 22, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Rayaan - March 22, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Simon Moon - March 22, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Simon Moon - March 22, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Rayaan - March 22, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by MysticKnight - March 22, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Tonus - March 22, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by TaraJo - March 22, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Whateverist - March 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Re: Question for the Former Theists - by frz - March 22, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RE: Question for the Former Theists - by Mystical - March 22, 2013 at 9:07 pm

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