Sorry for going back to this, guys....
All this just shows that there are a lot of people just like you, who let their delusions run their lives.
And if you're deluded enough, you become even more deluded.
It's because of the very real "human imagination" that atheists ask theists for some proof of their divine experiences... and, when these provide only some mental drivel, they're promptly dismissed as delusions.
Do not assume that we are not open to the subject, just because we jump to the deluded conclusion. It's just that no theist has provided any evidence that couldn't be generated by their minds.
And it becomes frustrating to have to point out how this kind of theistic argument is not valid, every time.
We are not interested in words... "words are wind". We are interested in evidence so we can judge it... each with their own bias, of course... but that's how the world moves on.
People feel/experience X and live according to X, is not the same as X exists.
Concerning martyrs, why would anyone have to "die for god"?
Isn't a god defined as immortal? Let him "die" and come back for himself.
People who sacrifice themselves for an entity which only manifests itself in people's minds... are probably not required on this Earth
(March 24, 2013 at 12:32 am)jstrodel Wrote: Read the history of the Christian church. Learn about the men who were missionaries and spread the church and built orphanages and soup kitchens and traveled to the ends of the earth. Read about the martyrs and monastics and the characters throughout history that have lived the authentic life. And then live the same way that they lived, with the same level of zeal and intensity. There is your proof. You will see the same things happen to you, like I have. You can feel your heart burn inside and see the shekinah glory and see the miracles and the power of the Holy Ghost. It is real.
All this just shows that there are a lot of people just like you, who let their delusions run their lives.
And if you're deluded enough, you become even more deluded.
It's because of the very real "human imagination" that atheists ask theists for some proof of their divine experiences... and, when these provide only some mental drivel, they're promptly dismissed as delusions.
Do not assume that we are not open to the subject, just because we jump to the deluded conclusion. It's just that no theist has provided any evidence that couldn't be generated by their minds.
And it becomes frustrating to have to point out how this kind of theistic argument is not valid, every time.
We are not interested in words... "words are wind". We are interested in evidence so we can judge it... each with their own bias, of course... but that's how the world moves on.
People feel/experience X and live according to X, is not the same as X exists.
Concerning martyrs, why would anyone have to "die for god"?
Isn't a god defined as immortal? Let him "die" and come back for himself.
People who sacrifice themselves for an entity which only manifests itself in people's minds... are probably not required on this Earth
