RE: Science and religion
March 24, 2013 at 5:00 pm
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2013 at 5:03 pm by jstrodel.)
Quote:Actually, it is still ad populum. Being a scientist and a Christian does not mean you used science to justify being a Christian. If anyone could bring forth scientific evidence of a god, everyone would know about it by now.
Prove the concept of ad populum and its relevance here. Why are the beliefs of millions of people as to Christianities evidential status as it relates to science and natural theology irrelevant?
Do you know what an argument from authority is? You are basically presupposing that there is not possible way that anyone could make a valid argument for authority along theistic lines. You say that and you are ignorant of natural theology.
You are spreading lies because you misunderstand logic and you do not know God. You accept the argument from authority as it relates to the success of evolutionary theory, but you do not accept it as it relates to any issue in natural theology or the interaction between science and religion.
You should see through my eyes. I don't think you realize how dishonest and biased your perception of theology is. If you are a critical thinker, you will look at it carefully.
Your faith is in what you want. If it is ad populum to cite the number of scientists and philosophers who have accepted Christianity based on belief in the success of natural theology and/or other apologetics, it is ad populum to believe that evolutionary theory is true based on the number of scientists that believe it.
No, it is neither in each case. Both are arguments from authority. Whether they are valid hinges on whether the beliefs are true.
You presuppose that Christianity is false so that you can call appealing to authority fallacious. That is fallacious, it is begging the question.
Why can't you put Christianity on the same ground as atheism? What are you so afraid of? What prevents you from giving it an honest assessment?
Just use common sense and stop lying. What does common sense tell you? Does it matter AT ALL, IN THE SLIGHTEST, that the vast majority of the most advanced civilization in the world has been Christian? If you say no, ad populum, I will tell you what, you are brainwashed. You don't understand that concept, you don't know anything about life. You are a child, you reason like a child, you don't understand God because you are brainwashed by atheist delusions that think 2000 years of the most powerful civilization in history can be overturned with an appeal to the authority of a debate tactic.
You are a fool if you think that. Go ask someone over 30, perhaps even someone who doesn't spend a lot of time debating Christians. See if they think that it is fallacious to even mention the fact that Christianity has been the most defining aspect of the most powerful and successful civilization in history. See what they say.
Obviously this doesn't prove that God exists, this is what I mean about reasoning like a child. Reason like a man. Men don't live in a black and white world. Men see nuance. You are seeing the world from a black and white atheist apologetics standpoint.
For God sakes, stand back, stop appealing to the authority of philosophical concepts and use common sense!
jstrodel Wrote:You are a fool if you think the witness of western civilization counts for nothing.Straw man fallacy. When the witness of western civilization provides actual proof to bolster their arguments, call me. Or just continue to guess at my age, motivations, level of holiness, life experience, and so on. I'm sure those details will help you and all of those god-fearing scientists dig up that proof that has been so elusive for so long.
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There is proof of God's existence, for those who are skillful enough to obtain it.
The unskillful, the slow, and the foolish and the gullible do not obtain it, they obtain a black and white atheist apologetic world in which propositions are either "100% PROVEN" or they are "TOTAL CRAP".
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
