Science and religion

[Darkstar]

Actually, it is still ad populum. Being a scientist and a Christian does not mean you used science to justify being a Christian. If anyone could bring forth scientific evidence of a god, everyone would know about it by now.

Prove the concept of ad populum and its relevance here. Why are the beliefs of millions of people as to Christianities evidential status as it relates to science and natural theology irrelevant?

Because none of them can prove that what they believe is true. Scientists conduct experiments and tests, and construct predictive models, with rigorous peer review.

Do you know what an argument from authority is? You are basically presupposing that there is not possible way that anyone could make a valid argument for authority along theistic lines. You say that and you are ignorant of natural theology.

Your authorities can't demonstrate that anything they say is true, so what good is their word?

You are spreading lies because you misunderstand logic and you do not know God. You accept the argument from authority as it relates to the success of evolutionary theory, but you do not accept it as it relates to any issue in natural theology or the interaction between science and religion.

Again, rigorous peer review, demonstrable predictive power, technological breakthroughs. Science has demonstrated its trustworthiness, religion has not.

You should see through my eyes. I don't think you realize how dishonest and biased your perception of theology is. If you are a critical thinker, you will look at it carefully.

Same to you.

Your faith is in what you want. If it is ad populum to cite the number of scientists and philosophers who have accepted Christianity based on belief in the success of natural theology and/or other apologetics, it is ad populum to believe that evolutionary theory is true based on the number of scientists that believe it.

Scientists do science. They don't "believe in" evolution because they feel like it, but because it matches up with the facts, and has been observed. It is the core to understanding biology. And no, this observation didn't come in the form of an unverifiable vision.

You presuppose that Christianity is false so that you can call appealing to authority fallacious. That is fallacious, it is begging the question.

Why can't you put Christianity on the same ground as atheism? What are you so afraid of? What prevents you from giving it an honest assessment?

What prevents you from giving atheism an honest assessment.

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The voices in your head.
Which obviously have nothing to do with your history of drug abuse. You said marijuana gives you schizophrenia, so what must crack do? I'm not trying to be mean, but this is too big a point for me to ignore.

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Just use common sense and stop lying.

Make up you mind, am I lying or am I honest?

What does common sense tell you?

That it is ridiculous to think god is real.

Does it matter AT ALL, IN THE SLIGHTEST, that the vast majority of the most advanced civilization in the world has been Christian?

Maybe if Christianity came from that civilization, you might have a case, but it didn't. It is a millennia old artifact of the ancient world that is slowly fading away as we speak...er, type.

If you say no, ad populum, I will tell you what, you are brainwashed.

By whom? I didn't know anything about atheism other than it being a lack of belief in god when I became an atheist. I never read Dawkins or anything like that.

You don't understand that concept, you don't know anything about life. You are a child, you reason like a child, you don't understand God because you are brainwashed by atheist delusions that think 2000 years of the most powerful civilization in history can be overturned with an appeal to the authority of a debate tactic.

I was wondering when this would devolve into you slandering me.

You are a fool if you think that. Go ask someone over 30, perhaps even someone who doesn't spend a lot of time debating Christians.

VIOLET! HE'S APPEALING TO ARBITRARY AGE LINES!

See if they think that it is fallacious to even mention the fact that Christianity has been the most defining aspect of the most powerful and successful civilization in history. See what they say.

Why would that make it true? Want to talk about Judaism and Islam?

Obviously this doesn't prove that God exists, this is what I mean about reasoning like a child. Reason like a man. Men don't live in a black and white world. Men see nuance. You are seeing the world from a black and white atheist apologetics standpoint.

For God sakes, stand back, stop appealing to the authority of philosophical concepts and use common sense!

Common sense tells me not to believe in something for which there is no empirical evidence. Hence...

There is proof of God's existence, for those who are skillful enough to obtain it.

Ah, so now you don't simply need to seek god sincerely, but you need to be really good at it to. That explains why the people on this board who sought god for decades found nothing, they were just unskilled.

The unskillful, the slow, and the foolish and the gullible do not obtain it, they obtain a black and white atheist apologetic world in which propositions are either "100% PROVEN" or they are "TOTAL CRAP".

So the decreasing religiosity in the world isn't evidence that god might not exist, but just that we're all going over to Satan? Nice double standard.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

Curiosity? You honestly expect me to believe you don't just want to slander me for not being above a certain age? If you were so smart, you would already know where to find that information. Just click my username...