Science and religion

[jstrodel]

Now. Go tell it straight to a starving indian, african, or south african orphans' face that you've given up everything to follow Jesus Christ.

You are arguing that because I am spending my time on an atheist message board trying to win converts, I am have not left everything because I am trying to win converts from atheists instead of helping Indians? Why would God want me to give up my computer? Then I wouldn't be able to share the gospel and the truth with atheists. Do you believe there is something inherently more spiritual with sharing material items with people than sharing wisdom? Why is this?

That's all we're saying, sir. No one claims to know how everything began. And I don't know about anyone else but duh as to science being constantly updating itself.

You've gotta be kidding me. Atheists equate believing in God with believing in the tooth fairy. Atheists make statements like if you have had spiritual experience, that means you are delusional, not just that you have similar symptoms to delusional people, but that, in fact, you are actually clinically diagnosable as being schizophrenic or delusional because you are having these experiences.

It is dishonest to suggest that atheists are agnostics. Atheists are about as far away from agnosticism as you can get. Someone that legitimately did not know whether God exists would not reduce all religious experience to a mental health disorder. In fact, this is the only legitimate position. No one can resolve the issue of disproving God's existence. It cannot be done. Atheists don't care about that, they would prefer to mock and ridicule religion and use psuedo arguments against religious claims to advance their culture war.

We're not the one's claiming we know with no proof what happened. No where in athiesm does it state that we know what happened for sure. You know why? Because as things are now, it's impossible to know. We're still waiting on the math and science study of our universe to tell us it's story--not the other way around.

Then why shouldn't this be reflected in the way that atheists communicate? Why shouldn't atheists reprimand members that deviate from this and make claims that they can't substantiate?

(Matthew 5:17-18).
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”

Read the book of Romans or Galatians. The two covenants are very different. When was the last time you met a Christian that didn't drive a car on Sunday or that didn't eat pork? In fact, it explicitly rejects the dietary laws in the book of Acts.

When Jesus fulfills the law, that does not mean that the law remains in effect in exactly the same way. Romans 10:14 says "Christ is the end of the law, so that there may be righteous for everyone who believes". Jesus is the end of the law, people believe in Jesus and they are grafted into the will of God, Jesus is the law, that is why the law is fulfilled in Him.

If you want to be an atheist, for your own sake, please try and understand what the Bible teaches. The Bible does not require Christians to literally follow all the details of the mosaic law.

I propose the Bible as proof for his non-existance. The god of the bible is susceptible to anger, wrath, hatred, jealousy, spite. These characteristics directly contradict his Just and wise attributes. He is not omnipotent. He is merely a man-made man written character in a book.

Where is the contradiction? Why should we not suppose that the God who made man in God's image should look down and graft into man the same qualities that he has. God's just and wise attributes are related to his anger and wrath, because God is just, and wise, God recognize the reality and pain that sin causes. Anger is not a weakness, imagine a mother who was not angry if something happened to her child. You would consider that person to be morally deficient. Anger is a sign of the authenticity of God's just will. Hatred means simply that God is displeased with sin, and spite fails to explain God's character, God loves people and that is why God crucified God's own son to save people.

Why is it wrong for God to punish sin severely? Name one society on earth that has not had a set of laws to limit behavior along a complex set of criteria.

God is no more judgmental than any government in history. All governments use violence to achieve peace and stability. If they didn't there would be anarchy.