Quote:You are arguing that because I am spending my time on an atheist message board trying to win converts, I am have not left everything because I am trying to win converts from atheists instead of helping Indians? Why would God want me to give up my computer? Then I wouldn't be able to share the gospel and the truth with atheists. Do you believe there is something inherently more spiritual with sharing material items with people than sharing wisdom? Why is this?I'm arguing that if you said that to a starving orphan, they'd think you're delusional because you're the richest man alive in their eyes. I also argue that your bible says to give up all of yourself to the poor, and none of you do--then you tell us we're sinners for not paying tithe to your churches so you can go to weekend retreats and fuck around with the kids. Oh and then you get the government to subsidize your churches with our taxes.
Quote:If you want to be an atheist, for your own sake, please try and understand what the Bible teaches
Note that I did not say that you are required to follow Mosaic law. That's up to the Christian who reads the book, isn't it? Yes. Just ask all the millions of radicalists out there who say You are wrong. No, I'm saying that God does not change. From then to now to tomorrow he will be who he is, and who he is is not a god I'd be willing to lay my life down for. I read the the bible, regularly. I also grew up going to a christian church. They seemed to leave out all the spiteful hatred stuff and taught that the only reason god gets angry is because he chastises us like a father would children. Well, anyone would say that if a father ripped the baby out of his daughters womb because her husband was on the wrong side of history: they'd call for his persecution.
When I'd ask about God's attributes in the OT, they pushed it off as 'that was a different time' sorta thing. Problem is, he's not a different god now as he was then. He's unchanging according to his own word. And he's a murderer.
Quote:Anger is not a weakness, imagine a mother who was not angry if something happened to her child. You would consider that person to be morally deficient. Anger is a sign of the authenticity of God's just will.
Seems like you say the same thing as they do. Here's the thing though. God is not a mother or a father, he is GOD. If he is the Ultimate Justice of existance and non-existance: he cannot be susceptible to such character flaws. And I call them FLAWS. A real mother would not be angry at her child, she'd know what factors are leading to those decisions and adjust her punishment to teach a lesson--not eternally DAMN them to HELL.
Quote: God loves people and that is why God crucified God's own son to save people.
God loves his people soooo much, that he put a tree of life and a tree of death. Then he told adam and eve (who knew not of death) that they would die if they ate of its fruit. When they did eat it (even though he created humanity to have curiousity), he banished them and their offspring for who knows how long--to suffer on this earth and in the life afterwards. Then he sent his son down to 'save' us if we get on our knees to him, and his son died but was raised again and given a God's throne in Heaven.
Totally seein the love.
Quote:God is no more judgmental than any government in history. All governments use violence to achieve peace and stability. If they didn't there would be anarchy.I so disagree with you. Peace can be achieved in a non-violent way. The fact that you and your god don't have this foresight further proves my point.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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