RE: Science and religion
March 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm
(This post was last modified: March 26, 2013 at 6:58 pm by Darkstar.)
(March 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Do you think it has any bearing what so ever, for instance, if someone has spent an hour or two every single day of his life trying to understand God, whereas, someone else has spent maybe 100 hours in their whole life thinking about ethical issues?Here's your problem. God =/= morality. I care very much about morals. I don't believe in god. So in your mind I must be lying about one of those two. It is fallacious to claim that people will disregard god's existence because they don't care about morals, and it is fallacious to imply that not caring about morals is a strong factor in the non-belief in god.
(March 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I think that statements describing the flying spaggetti monster and things like this typically come from people who have spent less amount of time thinking about morality and the problems and ways in which people deal with this, which would cause them to come into appreciation of different ways in which people have done this. I think it is certainly relevant.I'm not sure what you just said, but it sounded like "you compared god to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, therefore you have no morals". Would it help to tell you that you that this isn't our debate on morals? That was in a different thread, and not what we are discussing here.
(March 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Do you think that all arguments should follow the form of appearing to come out of a "critical thinker"? What if that form was itself a kind of propaganda, obviously it is, aren't all words aimed at persuading?No...you could tell someone about your day. How is that persuasion?
Propaganda
wikipedia Wrote:As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political, religious or commercial agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of ideological or commercial warfare."If you cared about morality, you would find god claims more convincing" is most certainly a sweeping ad homenim attack on atheists, and a form of propaganda, as outlined above. Not to mention it isn't true...
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.