(April 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Thank you theists for highlighting your problems with the OP.
John V Wrote:
fr0d0 Wrote:
Undeceived Wrote:
It seems like all of you are saying in one form or another that the Bible doesn't say we shouldn't lie. What should we do about these verses then?
Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.
Proverbs 12:22
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.
Colossians 3:9-10
Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.
Psalm 101:7
No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes.
Ephesians 4:25
Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.
Proverbs 24:28
Be not a witness against your neighbor without cause, and do not deceive with your lips.
Revelations 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
You've actually not brought anything against deceiving a murderer to protect others. To deceive does not have to be considered a lie. Deceiving your enemy in war is not considered a lie, at least not by anyone I've known, deception in war is done to defeat your enemy and to limit the deaths of your own troops.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.