(April 3, 2013 at 2:49 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Godschild Wrote:You've actually not brought anything against deceiving a murderer to protect others. To deceive does not have to be considered a lie. Deceiving your enemy in war is not considered a lie, at least not by anyone I've known, deception in war is done to defeat your enemy and to limit the deaths of your own troops.
From this, I gather that the verses I've quoted seem to say that lying is wrong? I'm assuming this is your view on those verses because now you're trying to move the goalposts.
War is an altogether different situation to what we're dealing with. The sort of deception that is at play in wars has to do with setting up your enemy to be ambushed and what not. What I'm referring to in the OP is when you are asked for information by someone and you outright tell a lie.
If your statement is the above and you stay with it, then yes if one is asked for information and does not give the right info knowing the correct info, then that would be telling a lie.
But if that is expanded on in any way other things will need to be considered. Such as the teacher who died protecting her children, you would make this hero a liar, I say this hero deceived the enemy and saved many lives, her plan worked and no lie was told, PERIOD! You need to get of your holier than thou horse and understand this, You My Friend Are Wrong in this situation. I believe we may have to nick name you Pharisee.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.