What is your alternative to abortion?

[Tiberius]

While that may be important to you or I, these "libertarians" in office are currently in the process of defining (you and I would call that re-defining) what it means to be a libertarian - in our government.

No, they aren't. What Libertarianism is is clearly defined. I'm not sure how many times I can go over this point with you just standing there ignoring it. Look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
http://www.libertarianism.com/

Libertarianism is pretty big; it's the third largest party in the US, and is a recognized movement which has existed for a long time.

Last time I checked? No. Not insane. The trouble is, again Tibs, that "libertarians" like Rand Paul -are- defining it.

Again, no they aren't. Claiming to be something does not magically redefine it. Has the definition of Libertarianism in the dictionary changed since Rand Paul and other Republican cronies started trying to attach themselves to it? No. Has the Libertarian Party updated it's manifesto to include Rand Paul's political beliefs? No.

Right, the libertarian party which continues to disavow the politicians who continue to claim that they are libertarians. I'm not making an argument tibs, there are no goalposts to move - Rand Paul is what americans are offered as a libertarian, he is currently in office, doing -important things-. People are buying this label, people (read neo-con shitwits) are starting to label themselves as libertarians. Here, "libertarian" is a re-branding of "republican". Why do you think Mins always giving you shit about this?

You miss the point so much I'm really wondering if I'm being trolled here. Read what you wrote in your first sentence. The Libertarian party is disavowing politicians who claim they are libertarians. Doesn't that say something to you? Doesn't that scream out loud to you that maybe, just fucking maybe, the politicians who are claiming to be Libertarians and yet are disavowed by the fucking Libertarian party, aren't actually Libertarians.

Oh, and quite coincidentally, I noticed this thread on reddit.com/r/libertarianism: http://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarianism/co...ndment_to/

Rand Paul is trying to inject a fetal person-hood amendment into a bill concerning flood insurance. Someone asked how that was Libertarian. The top answer? Rand Paul isn't a libertarian.