RE: Is belief really a choice?
April 4, 2013 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2013 at 12:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 4, 2013 at 12:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Well both naturalism wise and design wise, it makes sense our decisions would not be in a vacuum, or there would be no order to any degree at all. People who are good their whole lives, can decide in instant, without any factors influencing them, to become ultra evil. It's absurd.You're simply assuming what I'm asking you to establish, that they do decide. Nevertheless, if we granted that we are capable of "choosing" some things, that would not establish that we can "choose" all things. I could choose to light my cig, for example, but that wouldn't establish that I choose to believe something.
Quote:A concept of praiseworthiness was needed naturalism wise, whether such a thing exists or is possible naturalism wise is another question, but it was needed.What? Why was it needed? Now we're really headed down the rabbit hole.
Quote:Therefore on both models (designed or non-designed)...it doesn't make sense we make decisions in a vacuum but have to have factors influencing us.See above. Wouldn't matter anyway, I'm not demanding that anyone make a choice about their beliefs in a vacuum. I just want to see them make the choice. It would be nice if they could do it right now, or on demand, but if they can't I have time to spare - I'll wait. Until then - however-, I'm going to continue to call massive bullshit. The whole choice song and dance is insultingly transparent.
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